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WshflThinking

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4815 on: January 03, 2013, 01:12:37 pm »
While I was in shocked that a 10-6 coach gets launched it doesnt surprise me that they keep some of the assistants. We all know not all the problems were Lovie's. At this point we dont know the coaching changes and maybe there will be a lot of changes as soon as we know who the head coach will be and who he can count on to bring with him and what positions they will man. Emery is right not terminating any current coaches

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4816 on: January 03, 2013, 01:13:30 pm »
Yapper:

As bad as our offensive line is and the offense period that's no excuse for keeping Tice.   If that's one of the reasons that Lovie is fired then Tice shouldv'e been gone the same day that Lovie was let go.  Doesn't make sense.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4817 on: January 03, 2013, 01:18:37 pm »
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/03/vikings-shrugging-off-harvins-absence-while-rehabbing/

This guy is such a tool...  but if the Bears could pick him up and somehow get his head out of his azz he could take our offense to a whole new level.

He is doing everything he can to not be a Viking after this season but I don't know if the headaches (pun intended) that come with him justify the talent.

WshflThinking

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4818 on: January 03, 2013, 01:19:57 pm »
Well what you dont want to happen is that the new HC is hired but he cant bring assistant X with him and we have already terminated the needed assistant. Thats why all the assistants are under contract for 2013. We dont want to get in the same position we had whereby we had to take Martz. Emery is doing the right thing. Maybe Phill will get his wish and all the assistants will get launched once the new HC is hired

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4819 on: January 03, 2013, 01:25:43 pm »
Its a sign of respect for the new HC.  Let him make his own decisions, although I am pretty sure Tice gets launched.

yapper

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4820 on: January 03, 2013, 01:29:04 pm »
I personally would be pretty nervous if Marinelli was let go.

Our D has its flaws but they are sound enough to hold the fort if our offense can improve by even 50%. Those defensive players and especially the DL would run in front of a bus for Marinelli and I really worry how much the D might regress next year if we brought in a new DC and had to manage a whole scheme change on that side of the ball at the same time as installing a whole new offense.

On top of which, I would really like to see Marinelli get a chance to stretch his wings and use some of our promising younger players (Shea, Wootton, Melton, Conte, Hardin) to freshen up concepts that have gone stale.  As Rivera could tell you, Lovie, kept a tight grip on how "his" D was run and there may be new wrinkles Marinelli has been itching to try and finally would be at liberty to do.

Any or all of the offensive staff can be out the door yesterday as far as I'm concerned...  but I think keeping some continuity on our D will be critical so I'd say hands-off as far as that unit goes.
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WshflThinking

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4821 on: January 03, 2013, 01:31:38 pm »
I believe Tice gets launched too but then its more of a face saving thing for Tice, that he isnt blamed for something beyond his control. "Well this new HC came in and he wanted his own guy in there" Thats understandable when you go looking for a new job.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4822 on: January 03, 2013, 01:34:12 pm »
Before we heap too much love on Marinelli, lets not forget the Bears bend dont break mentality between the 20s.  How many 3rd and longs did we give up?  Extremely frustrating.  A more aggressive style D might not be such a bad thing.  Just saying.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4823 on: January 03, 2013, 01:35:16 pm »
Agree totally.  Great point.

WshflThinking

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4824 on: January 03, 2013, 01:44:36 pm »
Something has been bothering me but I havent said so before, but we all know that this was Lovie's defense and that basically Lovie was totally in control of it. But what we dont know and probably will never know is just how much control Lovie had over the offense. When the game offensive and defensive gameplans were formulated how much control did Lovie have on the offensive side of the ball? When Tice was calling the plays during the game, how much was Lovie and how much was Tice?

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4825 on: January 03, 2013, 01:46:02 pm »
I expect little coaching changes on D.  Major changes on O.

JMHO

WshflThinking

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4826 on: January 03, 2013, 01:46:09 pm »
In Phill's opinion it was all Tice and therefore he deserved to be launched more than Lovie. Well we dont know that at all.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4827 on: January 03, 2013, 01:49:55 pm »
The point Emery kept harping on in the presser is they failed 5 of the last 6 years.  All those years the O was inadequate.  There was no consistency on offense.  It was bad year after year after year.  OC after OC after OC after OC.

They kept changing to OC and Lovie never got the O fixed.  It wasn't just this year.  It wasn't just Mike Tice.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4828 on: January 03, 2013, 01:51:59 pm »
how would you guys feel about Tice back to OL coach and Bates to OC under McCoy?
I know our OL looked better last year than this year. I expect Tice the OC doesn't have a lot of time to really work with the OL very much.

I expect we'll see more changes on the O side of the coaching tree, just curious how you guys felt about Tice back at OL coach.

yapper

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4829 on: January 03, 2013, 01:52:38 pm »
I expect little coaching changes on D.  Major changes on O.

Same here.  Tice, Drake, RBs Coach, TE coach (do we have one?) OL coach -- seeya.  Those firings will happen as soon as the new HC can get their replacements on board.  Hopefully that is a matter of days and not weeks.