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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4830 on: January 03, 2013, 01:57:23 pm »
I expect we'll see more changes on the O side of the coaching tree, just curious how you guys felt about Tice back at OL coach.

No.  I was a believer in Tice at one time, not anymore.

The guy can teach (sort of), but he can't evaluate talent for sh*t.  If he could, he would have been begging for better players 3 years ago already instead of telling our GMs the guys we had were fine. He also, I believe, had a lot to do with 3 or 4 guys on our OL playing out of position all the time. The decision to move Webb from RT to LT was a total fail that wasted two prime years of Cutler's career and probably took another two off from the punishment he took. And he stuck with Carimi WAY too long this year when he was getting schooled every game at RT while a far more capable player (Jonathan Scott) was standing on the sidelines.

There has got to be a better OL coach out there , and I am strongly in favor of finding that guy and giving him a blank check to come here and fix a unit that has been a flat-out embarrassment to the franchise for years. 
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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4831 on: January 03, 2013, 02:06:15 pm »
My #1 OL Coaching candidate has to be Russ Grimm.  Wisenhunt is out in Ariz so I assume Grimm is gone as well.
I expect him to get a HC gig though.
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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4832 on: January 03, 2013, 02:09:04 pm »
PFT says that the other teams interviewing McCoy this weekend are the Bills, Cardinals and Eagles.

If that's our competition, I like our chances.  We are the biggest market, the only team of the 4 who came close to making the playoffs this year, and the only team of the 4 to have our QB situation locked-down.
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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4833 on: January 03, 2013, 02:11:14 pm »
I think we'll pretty much have our pick of coaches unless it comes down to $$$ or control of the team roster.
I would expect that most first time HCs won't push too hard on those fronts.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4834 on: January 03, 2013, 02:12:39 pm »
My #1 OL Coaching candidate has to be Russ Grimm.

Grimm's reputation as an OL coach now may not be what it was a few years ago.  Those OLs the Cardinals put on the field the last few years have been just horrific.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4835 on: January 03, 2013, 02:16:33 pm »
The whole offense was horrific.  The main reason the GM was fired.

I give him a pass on the last couple of years in Arizona and look more at what he accomplished in Pitt and when he first got to Arizona.

That GM just destroyed that team.

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« Reply #4836 on: January 03, 2013, 02:20:38 pm »
So Lovie's #1 and #2 choice for his next gig is Buffalo and Arizona?

Arizona Cardinals

Replacing: Ken Whisenhunt

In the mix: Ray Horton, Mike McCoy, Lovie Smith, Todd Haley

The latest: Andy Reid cancelled an interview with the team Thursday after spending nine hours meeting with Kansas City Chiefs officials.Team president Michael Bidwill also interviewed Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton for the position Tuesday and is scheduled to meet with Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy in Denver this weekend. The team has also requested to interview Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who served in the same role for the Cardinals when they won the NFC in 2008. An NFL Network report listed the Cardinals as one of two teams that former Bears coach Lovie Smith would be most interested in leading.

Buffalo Bills
Replacing: Chan Gailey

In the mix: Ken Whisenhunt, Ray Horton, Hue Jackson, Lovie Smith, Doug Marrone, Chip Kelly

The latest: Bills execs interviewed recently fired Cardinals head coach Whisenhunt as well as his former defensive coodinator Ray Horton for their vacant head coaching job. A source also told USA TODAY Sports that Bengals assistant Hue Jackson will also speak to the Bills next week after his team's wild card game this Saturday against Houston. The Bills are also one of three teams that will interview Oregon coach Chip Kelly about his possible interest to move from college to the NFL.

An NFL Network report listed Buffalo as the other team Smith has the most interest in and Smith is expected to interview for the job at some point soon. ESPN is saying that Syracuse head coach Doug Marrone will also interview with the Bills

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« Reply #4837 on: January 03, 2013, 02:25:59 pm »
The Cardinals run a 3-4 defense...  a very good one at that.

Their DC is Ray Horton, who is widely respected around the league and in fact thought by some to be on the track to a HC gig as soon as this year.

For Lovie to come to Arizona he would either have to embrace a defensive scheme that is the opposite of everything he's ever coached and believes in...  or Horton would have to go away and they would need to completely rebuild the D around Lovie's DC and 4-3 scheme. Which, given they are also bringing in a new GM, could be done but it would almost certainly mean at least a couple years of BAD D till all the pieces are in place.  And in a conference with the Niners and Seahawks, bad D is not a good thing. And it's not just as easy as Lovie swiping Marinelli away from the Bears cause Marinelli is contracted with the Bears through next season so if the Bears HC wants to keep him he is obligated to stay.

On top of which, Arizona has BIG TIME problems on their offense and as we've seen, fixing offenses is not Lovie's thing.

Lovie might be interested in AZ, but it doesn't seem like a good fit.
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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4838 on: January 03, 2013, 02:27:09 pm »
Wmljohn -

Where are you getting those articles from, and is there one for the Bears?

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4839 on: January 03, 2013, 02:28:53 pm »
NFL coaching carousel: Find out who could be going where


Chicago Bears
Replacing: Lovie Smith

In the mix: Mike McCoy, Joe DeCamillis, Mike Sullivan, Keith Armstrong, Tom Clements, Pete Carmichael Jr.

The latest: A variety of reports all indicate that the Bears have focused their initial search on a variety of current NFL assistants. McCoy, Buccaneers offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan and Falcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong, Cowboys special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis and Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. will reportedly get interviews. The Chicago Tribune reports that the team would also like to interview Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements.

MIKE DITKA: Firing Lovie Smith was 'stupid'


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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4840 on: January 03, 2013, 02:30:18 pm »
Cool thanks

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4841 on: January 03, 2013, 02:47:09 pm »
Some interesting insights from Bears TE Matt Spaeth on Bruce Arians are currently being relayed on the ESPN Bears blog Twitter feed.

Spaeth played four years with Arians as his OC in Pittsburgh.  Says Arians approach to the run game is "downhill, attacking, power based" and he is good at putting QBs in positions to succeed with playaction, rollouts, bootlegs, etc.  Says "nobody" in the Pittsburgh lockerroom was happy to see him go and Big Ben was particularly disappointed to lose him.   Says he's a little surprised Arians has not been contacted by more teams already.


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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4842 on: January 03, 2013, 03:17:21 pm »
I hope our defensive players are ready to do some recalibrating because if we hire an offensive minded HC the team dynamics are gonna change dramatically.

For every one of these guys' entire time with the Bears, the D has ruled the roost. Defenders have been the face of the franchise, it's where all the media attention has always gone, etc. etc.  And not without justification...  the D has carried the O during the Lovie era far more often than vice versa.  The good side of that is an extremely high level of morale within that unit, the dark side is this elitist vibe that guys like Urlacher and Briggs have sometimes given off and even a hint of palpable disdain for the offense.

But now you bring in a McCoy or an Arians or a Clements, and all the sudden the Bears identity isn't all tied up in the D anymore.  Not that the pendulum is going to swing 100% to the offense, but there will be balance like we haven't seen.  Emery has already started working to give the offense its due in the draft and FA, and will now look to extend that into coaching and player development.  Guys like Cutler and Marshall are emerging as team spokespersons as a compliment (and sometimes, a counterweight) to Urlacher. Eventually it won't be 4 or 5 defensive Bears going to the Pro Bowl and one guy or nobody on offense...  it'll be a few on each side of the ball.  That dynamic is going to take some managing by the new HC but if he can get this "us vs. them" mentality out of the locker room and get all the players behind one agenda I think it could be real special, sustainable thing that happens to the Bears in the next 2-4 years.
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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4843 on: January 03, 2013, 03:18:00 pm »
We don't have a power back to run that system.

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Re: 2012 Chicago Bears
« Reply #4844 on: January 03, 2013, 03:22:19 pm »
We don't have a power back to run that system.

Well, and that's the question with Arians. McCoy's ability to adapt scheme to personnel is practically legendary, but is Arians on that same level?  Can he get his system up and running with the personnel upgrades we are able to make in the next few months? Or is it gonna take two years of drafting and FA pickups to get the players he needs?

I haven't watched much of the Colts (other than the first game of the season) but IIRC the Colts really don't have a power RB either.
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