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davep

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #870 on: July 11, 2012, 11:45:44 am »
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And he has a kid named after him there.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #871 on: July 11, 2012, 12:13:00 pm »
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JR

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #872 on: July 12, 2012, 11:22:04 pm »
Well tomorrow is the signing deadline.  I guess the chances of landing a surprise like Tomscha, Hickman, or Drossner are slim and none, but we'll see.

At least we aren't going to be spending tomorrow sweating guys like Almora or Underwood, though, so we can be thankful for that.

davep

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #873 on: July 12, 2012, 11:35:58 pm »
Does anyone know if we have any excess cap money left?

JR

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« Reply #874 on: July 12, 2012, 11:45:00 pm »
Does anyone know if we have any excess cap money left?

We can max out $120,000 on a player without penalty. 

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #875 on: July 13, 2012, 12:58:06 pm »
BA with notes on the unsigned first rounders (count me on those who think Appel is a moron if he walks away):

Kevin Gausman, rhp, Louisiana State (Orioles, first round, No. 4 overall): Though he intimated to the New Orleans Times-Picayune on Monday that he might return to LSU for his junior season, that's unlikely. He should sign somewhere around the assigned value for his pick, $4.2 million.

Mark Appel, rhp, Stanford (Pirates, first round, No. 8 overall): Appel was expected to go No. 1 overall to the Astros and sign for in the neighborhood of $6 million. Instead, he slipped to No. 8 and Pittsburgh currently can't pay him more than $3,837,575 without forfeiting a first-round pick, which it has vowed not to do. Appel would risk a lot by re-entering the 2013 draft, but his camp has sent out vibes that he's prepared to do that. This one could go either way.

Andrew Heaney, lhp, Oklahoma State (Marlins, first round, No. 9 overall): Miami has taken a hard-line approach with Heaney and told him Tuesday that they would not sign him. Various sources say they capped their offer at $2.2 million, $2.6 million and $2.7 million, all shy of his assigned pick value of $2.8 million. The Marlins have insisted on thorough physicals for draft picks following 2003 first-rounder Jeff Allison's battle with drug addiction, and there may not be enough time to get that done. But it's still hard to imagine that Miami will walk away from Heaney, especially when it didn't have a second-round pick and hasn't signed its third-rounder.

Lucas Giolito, rhp, Harvard-Westlake HS, Studio City, Calif. (Nationals, first round, No. 16 overall): Before injuring his elbow in March, Giolito figured to go in the top three selections and command a bonus of $5 million or more. He hasn't pitched in a game since and has a scholarship from UCLA as an option. Washington can spend $3,034,510 without losing a first-round choice, and that seems like a fair price that balances his ceiling and risk.

Richie Shaffer, 3b, Clemson (Rays, first round, No. 25 overall): Shaffer has agreed to terms with Tampa Bay on a bonus slightly under his assigned pick value of $1,725,000. His deal should be announced early today.


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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #876 on: July 13, 2012, 02:41:26 pm »
I think teams should be obligated to offer at least slot to top picks in this new system. Heaney is getting hosed.

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« Reply #877 on: July 13, 2012, 02:49:39 pm »
I think teams should be obligated to offer at least slot to top picks in this new system. Heaney is getting hosed.

Actually I'm sure Commissioner Bud completely approves of what the Marlins are doing and wishes more teams would do it.  Just point a gun to the player's head and say you're taking this amount of money or you can risk having an injury and go back to school. 

I think it sucks for Haney too, and he is getting hosed.  Still, this is something I'm sure Bud doesn't mind one bit.

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #878 on: July 13, 2012, 04:18:23 pm »
Kevin Gausman has tweeted that he's signed with Baltimore.

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« Reply #879 on: July 13, 2012, 04:22:24 pm »
Also Heaney signed with Miami for $2.6 million, $200K under slot.

Kind of surprising after all that talk about Heaney not signing and Miami offering well below slot that they'd be able to come to a reasonable agreement.  Sounds like cooler heads prevailed on both sides there.

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« Reply #880 on: July 13, 2012, 04:24:45 pm »
That's pathetic. If MLB is going to artificially limit what players can sign for in the draft, they need to do something to restore a modicum of leverage to the players.

What happens when the next Bryce Harper rolls around? Can someone be signed as a free agent out of an independent league? Cause if I'm a truly once-in-generation position player prospect, and I can circumvent the draft by going Indy for a year after high school, I'd do that and thumb my nose at the $7 mil max bonus. Create a situation where I'm a FA and let the bidding begin.

It's all so crazy. The Nationals are thrilled right now that they had the chance to hand out 8 figure contracts/bonuses to Harper and Strasburg. In terms of present market value for wins, they will easily out-produce their draft earnings and be some of the most efficient commodities in baseball, in terms of production per dollar, barring injury. Even with injury, the Nats have already recouped their investment in Strasburg, an will do so within a couple months on Harper.

davep

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« Reply #881 on: July 13, 2012, 04:37:00 pm »
Sounds like negotiating ploys, and the players lost.  If you can call 2.6 million dollars losing

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« Reply #882 on: July 13, 2012, 04:56:58 pm »
...Can someone be signed as a free agent out of an independent league? Cause if I'm a truly once-in-generation position player prospect, and I can circumvent the draft by going Indy for a year after high school, I'd do that and thumb my nose at the $7 mil max bonus. Create a situation where I'm a FA and let the bidding begin.

It's all so crazy. The Nationals are thrilled right now that they had the chance to hand out 8 figure contracts/bonuses to Harper and Strasburg. In terms of present market value for wins, they will easily out-produce their draft earnings and be some of the most efficient commodities in baseball, in terms of production per dollar, barring injury. Even with injury, the Nats have already recouped their investment in Strasburg, an will do so within a couple months on Harper.

No.  If you are drafted but don't sign, you can't be signed prior to the ensuing draft.  If you go undrafted then, you become a FA.  But if you're Bryce Harper and $8 million isn't enough out of HS, whether you go to JC or go indy, you don't become a free agent until after there is some draft in which nobody takes you. 

I think there may be something special for college seniors, though.  If a senior gets drafted and doesn't sign by the July 13 deadline, I think maybe they can still negotiate with the team that drafted them up until the ensuing draft, or something like that?  I'm not sure what happens then.  Do they just go back into the draft for potentially the 6th time?  Or do they THEN become a FA? 

If so, perhaps that's what Boras is driving at with Appel?  Have him sit this one out, get drafted again next year and refuse to sign, then maybe two summers from now when he's 23 might he become a true free agent and make a killing?  (Assuming he still looks like a desirable prospect...) 

Perhaps that's a loophole, that if you're willing to do four years college and then take another schoolyear off, you can get some degree of free agency after 5 years? 

craig

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #883 on: July 13, 2012, 05:00:31 pm »
I suppose if $8 million is insufferably inadequate, you could maybe also gain citizenship in a foreign country, and make yourself eligible for the international signing landscape!  Of course, that will be lots below $8, so not much gain there. 

Another might be to go play in Japan for a few years, and then come over as a Yu Darvish type free agent rather than as a drafted guy. 

And of course the other is to be such a once-in-generation guy that a team will sacrifice future 1st-round picks in order to go way over the top.  Blow the cap, pay the penalty.  Maybe one Bryce Harper is worth three Vitters-Cashner-Jackson type 1st rounders. 

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Re: 2012 Draft
« Reply #884 on: July 13, 2012, 06:35:31 pm »
Didn't Varitek do something like that?  Didn't he play for the St. Paul Saints?