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Sportster

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2012, 07:04:53 pm »
Well guys,the motto holds....defense, at present anyhow, still wins championships. Some very very good offenses fell by the wayside this year,only one remains in the Pats and wouldn't surprise me one little bit if the Ravens eat em alive on D. With that in mind, we still do desperately need a couple very good wideouts, same on the offensive line...but after that? Hit DEFENSE with all they got! I'd rather see our team be fantastic on D than on O. We have a QB that can get us there....he needs protection and targets...but what I'm sure we'd all like to see is one helluva dominant D.....get us there whosit GM!!! get us there....

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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2012, 07:28:11 pm »
I thought the Pats D played very good against Denver.

Houston with Schaub would be playing NE next week. That game had two good defenses.

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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2012, 11:26:39 pm »
 Well we ranked 6th against the rush and 28th against the pass.

 So draw your own conclusions as to what part of the defense we need to beef up.

 I'd take our 2 #3's and go cornerback ... however a T.E. in that round wouldnt hurt either.

 N.E. is putting up unreal numbers with the two T.E. set.

 They are putting Hernandez in at RB and he is getting yards.

 You could almost say that N.E. has given up on the WR position outside of Walker.

 Did the Packers suffer from having a week off?

 Did we suffer last year from having the week off?

 Did the NYG's come in fresh at Lambou with no time off?

 Did the Packers come in fresh at Soldiers last year with no time off?

 Judge it for yourselves.

Sportster

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2012, 11:29:14 pm »
Yea I don't know about the top seed deal...isn't panning out very well lately...NFC side anyway....

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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2012, 03:08:57 pm »

I tend to agree but I noticed a lot recently with the better teams, especially NE last night a lot of times in less than 2 secs the QB has the ball out of his hands. A DL untouched can barely get there in 2 secs so most stiffs can hold a guy up for 2 secs. The key is that Welker and Branch and Hernandez and Gronkowski  and Driver and Jennings and Nelson and Colston and  guys like that can get open when our guys can't.

Certainly a big part of throwing to guys quickly is the talent at the WR spot.  But that assumes you work on that in practice and that its in your playbook.  It wasn't in Martz'.

The other part is a QB that has the arm and the confidence to throw it into a small window.  Cutler can do that but not quite as well as Rodgers, Brees and Brady.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2012, 03:24:55 pm »
We need to draft the tallest DL we can with monkey arms lol. Can't get there, just fly the wingspans to disrupt the pass lanes

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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2012, 03:25:30 pm »
Cutler can do that but not quite as well as Rodgers, Brees and Brady.

Cutler could do that just as well as those other guys if he had WRs of even NFL average size who could get open, and some protection.

He is much bigger (taller) than either Rodgers or Brees, and more physically gifted than all three of them.

The Bears are just about the only team in the NFL whose QB is bigger than all his WRs.  It's no wonder he can't always get them the ball, and a miracle he did it as many times as he did this year.
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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2012, 03:28:28 pm »
Peppers (6'7) and Izzy (6'6) are pretty damn tall, with long arms.  Same deal with Wootton.  But for whatever reason they're not knocking down a lot of passes at the line.

The other thing that would really help is if we'd get a lot more physical on WRs and TEs within that first 5 yards where contact is allowed. So many times we just give a WR or TE the cushion and he gets into the crease with no challenge whatsoever. That's just shooting fish in a barrel for any decent QB. 

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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2012, 06:21:34 pm »
Well we ranked 6th against the rush and 28th against the pass.

 So draw your own conclusions as to what part of the defense we need to beef up.

 I'd take our 2 #3's and go cornerback ... however a T.E. in that round wouldnt hurt either.

 N.E. is putting up unreal numbers with the two T.E. set.

 They are putting Hernandez in at RB and he is getting yards.

 You could almost say that N.E. has given up on the WR position outside of Walker.

 Did the Packers suffer from having a week off?

 Did we suffer last year from having the week off?

 Did the NYG's come in fresh at Lambou with no time off?

 Did the Packers come in fresh at Soldiers last year with no time off?

 Judge it for yourselves.

You make several very good points there, jj.

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Sportster

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2012, 02:09:26 pm »
I like that...OUR first round pick...make it happen, Yapp... 8}

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2012, 02:32:48 pm »

Peppers (6'7) and Izzy (6'6) are pretty damn tall, with long arms.  Same deal with Wootton.  But for whatever reason they're not knocking down a lot of passes at the line.

Shoot its like the entire d-line had alligator arms last season.  Peppers went from 9 PDs to 4 PDs.  Idonijie had none last year (had 3 in 2010).  And our DTs were almost entirely shut out of deflections - Okoye had the only 1.  Melton, Paea, Toeaina, Adams - all goose eggs.

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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2012, 02:43:47 pm »
I wonder if it's personnel, technique, coaching or all of the above. 

- Maybe they're being coached to aggressively push into the O-Linemen vs. just standing there jumping up and down with their arms up.

- Maybe opposing O-Linemen have figured out a way to get into Peppers and Izzy's arms at the snap and keep them from getting them up.

- Maybe we need to run more games or stunts to get Peppers and Izzy coming up the middle where their wingspan can do the most good. Or maybe we need to disguise those games and stunts better.

- Maybe we need taller DTs (none of our DTs are taller than 6'3 and Adams is only 6'1). 

Could be a lot of things or a combination, but the bottom line is when you look at how our DL played and then compare that to a truly dominating unit like the Giants, the Bears DL was not up to the task...  at least in defending the pass game. 
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2012, 02:51:02 pm »
Sweet...  maybe he falls to us now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/likely-first-round-pick-dre-kirkpatrick-arrested-for-****-possession/

This guy is the best CB in this draft and exactly what we need to counter CJ, Jennings, etc.

Even with this brain-dead move he will not fall below the mid-2nd round.

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Re: 2012 NFL Draft
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2012, 04:49:33 pm »
LOL, if he falls to us, I grab him and LMAO the rest of the draft.