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« Reply #300 on: June 05, 2015, 03:03:35 pm »
I'd think that they are working him out this close to draft it would be interesting, but I'm not sure how many guys they do that with.

Happ would not be bad.

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« Reply #301 on: June 05, 2015, 04:00:31 pm »
That's pretty interesting, isn't it?

Guessing that Cubs scrutinized his infield abilities---has to be a big factor.  Positional flexibility, important to the brass, obviously.  Makes me think Happ is the fallback pick if the top rated guys are all gone at #9.  As I've said, saw his lefty swing, while I was sitting right behind home plate on a folding chair at the Cape, and very impressed.  No clue about his defense.

I don't think that any of those that have been linked to the Cubs would be a disappointment for me.

If you think that this draft is confusing, wait until next year, when they are picking way down at number 10 or 11.

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« Reply #302 on: June 05, 2015, 05:20:39 pm »
I don't think that any of those that have been linked to the Cubs would be a disappointment for me.

If you think that this draft is confusing, wait until next year, when they are picking way down at number 10 or 11.

If they sign a big free agent pitcher, they'll be drafting their first prospect somewhere in the 50's next year.

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« Reply #303 on: June 05, 2015, 05:32:07 pm »
I'd assume they do due-diligence workouts for a lot of guys who are willing. 

I'm also reminded of the Schwarber story that gets told all the time.  They always say how impressed they were with his self-confidence and profanity during his interview, and McLeod almost implies that's what won them over.  The scouting reports normally talk about the swing, the arm, the tools, but not so much about the personality.  But after Schwarber, Bryant, and Almora, I suspect the personality/confidence/poise factor is probably a very high value/priority.  I have no idea what kinds of personalities/poise/confidence profiles that the names have, but it surely factors.   

I'm pretty sure this team would have failed Vitters based on his interviews, even if they hadn't had cash for Wieters and even if they scouted Vitters tools as favorably as did Wilken.   

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« Reply #304 on: June 05, 2015, 05:39:19 pm »
I've heard $$ mentioned as regards Cameron.  Is he wanting to go to school, really?  Or is that just inevitable since he's got Boras?  Not sure I understand how driving yourself out of the top ten benefits your bonus demands.  But, I'd also kind of think that *IF* the Cubs think he's very good, a top-5 guys, and *IF* his refusal to underslot pushes him down to us, that might perhaps be an advantage.  I know we've heard the "under slot and spend on pitchers later" buzz again.  But as always, *IF* you can win with your first round pick, you've usually won your draft, and if you don't win with your 1st rounder, most likely you won't win with your overall draft either.  To my limited understanding, Cameron is a CFer, which is exactly what would fit us best.  And I think he's a pretty mature, all-around balance player, even if no tool is amazing.  The profile of a balanced, all-around baseball player who lacks any amazing speed/arm/power tool, but is pretty good at everything, that seems to well fit the Almora profile that the Cubs like.  Wouldn't surprise at all.  (Obviously if you scout him as #15 and player/Boras expect #6 $$$, that makes no sense.) 

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« Reply #305 on: June 05, 2015, 07:06:07 pm »
I've heard a rumor that the Astros might be looking to do something to get Cameron at a latter pick. I don't know what the Cubs slot value is, but rumor is Cameron wants $5 million and that is likely well past what the Cubs could do.

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« Reply #306 on: June 05, 2015, 07:18:40 pm »
So he's a high school kid who will take 3+ years to develope with no outstanding tools who wants a ton of money?

That's definitely the player I want.

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« Reply #307 on: June 05, 2015, 07:24:41 pm »
I'm pretty sure this team would have failed Vitters based on his interviews, even if they hadn't had cash for Wieters and even if they scouted Vitters tools as favorably as did Wilken.

One more reason to think highlhy of the Theocracy,

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« Reply #308 on: June 05, 2015, 07:51:12 pm »
... rumor is Cameron wants $5 million and that is likely well past what the Cubs could do.

$5 is about where the Cubs would max out.  If you go cheap at 8-10 as they've done and spend all your overslot, they could get to $5 or close.  Still be able to get slot selections in rounds 2-7.  But, that highlights my question; if a top-9 team like the Cubs has to sell out everything to be able to reach Cameron's price, where the strategic advantage in that for him?  Is he really saying he wants to go college if a top-9 team doesn't draft him, and is willing to really do so?  I assume the answer has to be yes, and that there could then be a real chance he won't sign.  Obviously he needs to be willing to go college, or else he'd not set his tag that high and not hire Boras, who needs college leverage to do his thing and may well play it out that way. 

But, obviously Cubs could also figure that he's saying $5, but will end up signing for $4.  Either way, as always it's a scouting deal.  *IF* the Cubs really believe he's another Almora, and that he's a top-4 guy who's going to be a winner, and who is way BPA better than their other options, they could easily justify going all-in on the BPA.  Let some good scouting and slot money do their work on rounds 2-7.  But the first guy is the real place where you should be able to get a good multi-year starter, if you scout it right and get a little lucky.   


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« Reply #309 on: June 05, 2015, 08:13:32 pm »
Sometime they players will float a large bonus demand to get to a spot lower in the draft where they want to go.

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« Reply #310 on: June 05, 2015, 08:21:26 pm »
$5 is about where the Cubs would max out.  If you go cheap at 8-10 as they've done and spend all your overslot, they could get to $5 or close.  Still be able to get slot selections in rounds 2-7.  But, that highlights my question; if a top-9 team like the Cubs has to sell out everything to be able to reach Cameron's price, where the strategic advantage in that for him?  Is he really saying he wants to go college if a top-9 team doesn't draft him, and is willing to really do so?  I assume the answer has to be yes, and that there could then be a real chance he won't sign.  Obviously he needs to be willing to go college, or else he'd not set his tag that high and not hire Boras, who needs college leverage to do his thing and may well play it out that way. 

But, obviously Cubs could also figure that he's saying $5, but will end up signing for $4.  Either way, as always it's a scouting deal.  *IF* the Cubs really believe he's another Almora, and that he's a top-4 guy who's going to be a winner, and who is way BPA better than their other options, they could easily justify going all-in on the BPA.  Let some good scouting and slot money do their work on rounds 2-7.  But the first guy is the real place where you should be able to get a good multi-year starter, if you scout it right and get a little lucky.   



Cubs first round slot money is $3,351,000.  I doubt that they would be willing to go 1.649 million over slot to sign Cameron.

For that matter, even if they find an underslot prospect, it will be hard to save a substantial amount of slot money with that little to work with.

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« Reply #311 on: June 05, 2015, 09:22:17 pm »
Benintendi's Razorbacks clobbered Jon Harris and Missouri State 18-4. 

Benintendi homered, stole a base, and drew 3 walks, one intentional.

Harris gave up 8 runs on 9 hits in 5-2/3, fanning 3.


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« Reply #312 on: June 05, 2015, 10:06:59 pm »
With former Creighton Bluejay Pat Venditte making his debut today as a SRP, the Cubs worked out a switch pitcher Perez who according to him hit 94 left handed and 91 right handed.

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« Reply #313 on: June 06, 2015, 06:07:20 am »
IF they were to draft Cameron and then were unable to sign him would that be that bad of thing considering this draft.  Could they pick someone better in next years draft?  Where would they pick next year then? Is next years draft any deeper?

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« Reply #314 on: June 06, 2015, 06:30:40 am »
2016 is likely to be better.

They would pick 10th.

If they sign a free agent with compensation they would lose the pick.

The entire draft would be a waste and they could lose the pick next year so I would say no.