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Cubsin

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #555 on: June 09, 2015, 05:18:58 pm »
Five college seniors in a row in rounds 6-10 must be some kind of record. Nobody in rounds 1-5 who seemingly deserves a substantial amount over slot. Everett, Hooper, Baker, Sands or Molnar in round 11 tomorrow?
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #556 on: June 09, 2015, 05:21:43 pm »
5 straight senior-sign picks to wrap it up.

Q:  What leverage does senior sign have?  They've got some extended deadline or something, don't they?  Maybe the Cubs have already called each one of them, and they've each agreed that they'd sign for $10 or $20, just give me a chance and I want to get started and get rolling.  But, the Cubs are really depending on them signing to free up discretionary dollars.  What happens if a senior holds out and says, "I'm not signing for $10K; I want $50K.  Give me $50K or you'll lose the whole bit!"?   
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #557 on: June 09, 2015, 05:24:50 pm »
Pretty sure they all have pre-draft deals. 
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craig

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #558 on: June 09, 2015, 05:35:00 pm »
So, if they've done a signability junior and then five cheap senior signs, that's a non-trivial amount of discretionary money.  Over $1m even before doing any under slot on Happ and Dewees. 

So now, at least for a day, we've got the question:  Who's the money for?  Is that all for "Maddux" Wilson and  Sean Marshall Hudson?  Or is mostly for tomorrow? 

I'll say win-win either way, because I trust the Cubs scouting department to be both pretty thoughtful and extremely thorough. 

*1  If it's all for Wilson and Hudson, then the Cubs must perceive those guys as being VERY good prospects. Much better than I thought/perceive.  That would be cool. 
 
*2  If it's not for them, that means there will still be some significant targets left tomorrow.  That would be cool too. 
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #559 on: June 09, 2015, 05:40:12 pm »
My guess is Hudson is around $1 million.  Somebody tweeted that Wilson is sign able so maybe he's $700,000. That would leave $700,000 plus any savings from other guys.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #560 on: June 09, 2015, 05:44:42 pm »
Quote from: Playtwo on June 09, 2015, 05:10:33 pm
He could be special.
Lots of snap, crackle, and pop!
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Cubsin

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #561 on: June 09, 2015, 05:57:12 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on June 09, 2015, 05:44:42 pm
Lots of snap, crackle, and pop!

I hope those sounds aren't coming from his elbow or shoulder.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #562 on: June 09, 2015, 06:08:38 pm »
I was trying to help P2 out.  Some Philistines probably missed his Special K allusion.  Hmmm...autocorrect won't let me do Philistines without a capital P.
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« Reply #563 on: June 09, 2015, 06:09:23 pm »
Carson Sands got highest 4th round bonus last year at $1.1.

Seems like it would take at least that to sign away a Vandy recruit ?  Slot is $503,100 for the Wilson #4 pick.

The Hudson #3 slot is $731,000.  That seems like a $1 sign for him.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #564 on: June 09, 2015, 06:14:46 pm »
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.
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« Reply #565 on: June 09, 2015, 06:42:52 pm »
Quote from: davep on June 09, 2015, 06:14:46 pm
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.

Your understanding is wrong.

Lots of guys signed for over $100,000 from round 11 on.

Pirates signed a player for $580,000 bonus in 11th round last year, for example.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #566 on: June 09, 2015, 06:46:00 pm »
Kevonte Mitchell signed for $200,000 last year---13th round.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #567 on: June 09, 2015, 06:47:12 pm »
Quote from: davep on June 09, 2015, 06:14:46 pm
It is my understanding that you can only overslot guys in the first 10 rounds of the draft.  Anyone drafted tomorrow gets max of 100 thousand, plus college scholarship.

not true.  You can pay up to $100K to each pick in rounds 11-40 without any penalty.  Any excess over the $100K counts against the team's total draft signing pool from rounds 1-10.  Cubs draft signing pool is $7,236,100.  They can spend up to 5% over that amount with the penalty being a 75% fine on the overage amount.  After that 5%, penalties range from a fine and up to the loss of two future 1st round picks depending how much they go over the 5% limit.

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Also note that picks after the 10th round have no slot value (and you don’t lose any bonus pool money for failing to sign them), but any amount given to them in excess of $100,000 counts against the bonus pool.

Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 5% but less than 10% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 10% but less than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year AND loses a second round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND lose a first round draft pick in each of the next TWO drafts.



http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2015-mlb-draft-primer-bonus-pool-slot-values-penalties-etc/





 
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craig

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #568 on: June 09, 2015, 06:49:11 pm »
Dave, the first 10 rounds are the ones where you can build up discretionary dollars.  Subslotting, and the 15% overage allowed.  Those discretionary dollars can be used to go over slot during the first ten rounds (Cease, Sands, Steele), or for guys taken after the 10th round. 
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #569 on: June 09, 2015, 06:49:30 pm »
Think Dave is getting his information from Curt again.
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