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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #585 on: June 09, 2015, 11:12:31 pm »
Yes, but both the Red Sox & White Sox might be targeting the same guys as the Cubs.  We'll see tomorrow when the draft resumes.

Boston lost their 2nd round pick.  The White Sox lost their 2nd and 3rd round picks.  They both have less money than the Cubs.  They both only took 3 senior signs and some of their later round picks may be over slots.  I really doubt they have the cash that the Cubs will and so they will likely be targeting somebody of a lower tier.  The Astros and Dbacks would worry be more.

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« Reply #586 on: June 09, 2015, 11:21:20 pm »
Cubs were only organization to take seniors every round from 6-10.

Seniors by round:

R-6:  5

R-7:  11

R-8:  8

R-9:  18

R-10. 19

Last year, Cubs only did so in rounds 9 and 10.

By the way, would not necessarily assume that 6th rounder Dave Berg signs one of those $5,000 deals. Berg had such a distinguished all-time great college career---don't be surprised if he does quite a bit better.

In any case, pretty interesting Cubs went this route. Way less wiggle room than last year because Schwarber underslot much more.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #587 on: June 09, 2015, 11:21:59 pm »
Don't they just have to want the same player for themselves?

Yes.  But the post indicated they would be doing it to hurt the Cubs, rather than to help themselves.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #588 on: June 09, 2015, 11:22:00 pm »
That's probably true but if you are really targeting one HS player over another to overslot, it might be better to draft him in the 10th round than run the risk someone grabs him before you pick in the 11th.  That 10th round slot value is only $149K so if you don't come to terms with him it doesn't put a significant dent in your team's total draft signing pool.


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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #589 on: June 09, 2015, 11:25:36 pm »
I don't think they are going to have a lot of overslot money coming out of the first 5 picks, as they did last year.  So their only money to play with is from the last 5 rounds.  I doubt if it can amount to much over a million dollars from those 5.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #590 on: June 09, 2015, 11:31:08 pm »
By the way, would not necessarily assume that 6th rounder Dave Berg signs one of those $5,000 deals. Berg had such a distinguished all-time great college career---don't be surprised if he does quite a bit better.

He wasn't highly ranked.  I doubt he will break 6 figures and I'd be kinda shocked if he broke $50,000.

That's probably true but if you are really targeting one HS player over another to overslot, it might be better to draft him in the 10th round than run the risk someone grabs him before you pick in the 11th.  That 10th round slot value is only $149K so if you don't come to terms with him it doesn't put a significant dent in your team's total draft signing pool.

Maybe and some teams did take players like that in the later draft, the Cardinals and Kep Brown.  In some cases that $49,000 might be the difference in getting Mitchell or Clifton to sign.  Most of the over slot guys tend to be after the 11 round anyway.  That seems to be the get college players round that will sign for close to $100,000.

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« Reply #591 on: June 10, 2015, 01:39:07 am »
Piece below about David Berg.

Berg probably had the greatest career of any reliever in NCAA history. 

170 career appearances. 257 IP, all in relief.  Career ERA of 1.16.   41 walks/230 Ks.

http://web.usabaseball.com/article.jsp?ymd=201500521&content_id=125733050&vkey=news_gsa

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #592 on: June 10, 2015, 01:58:52 am »
I realize BA ranks draft prospects more on ceiling and less on floor than the Cubs do. But Ryan Kellogg is the only Cubs' draftee that BA ranked lower than their actual draft positions. Cubs' draft with BA ranking in parentheses:

Happ 9 (24), Dewees 47 (86), Hudson 82 (101), Wilson 113 (178), Kellogg 143 (131), Berg 173 (450), Brooks 203 (Not in Top 500), Morrison 233 (Not in Top 500) Peietzmeier 263 (Not in Top 500), Machin 293 (317)

I can see going somewhat over slot for Hudson and Wilson because they're high school seniors, but the Cubs should have quite a bit of extra money left for one or more highly-rated prospects in rounds 11-15.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #593 on: June 10, 2015, 06:32:04 am »
Does anyone have a reading on Berg's current velocity?  That article mentions 82 mph in high school but doesn't mention if he has upped that number (which seems likely).

If he is into the low 90s I think he could move through the minors pretty quickly as he clearly has the right mindset, knows how to pitch and has the sidearm thing going for him.

I'm sure most of the senior selections were about money but did anyone else notice that Berg, Kellogg and Morrison all seem to have similarities to Hendricks?  Smart pitchers with underwhelming velocity. Perhaps Theo and co. feel they have found an undervalued skill set.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #594 on: June 10, 2015, 07:29:45 am »
Berg from what I've seen is more 82-84, with movement and control. He will be tough on righties (a ROOGY?) with a frisbee like slider.

Kellogg is a pitch ability lefty. Every team takes them. Morrison is closer to Hendrix, like Williams. The minors have a ton of guys that never make it out of the low minors that are like Hendrix.

I do think the Cubs have moved to a more workable velocity in the low 90's with better command vs high velocity guys. Black, Cease and Underwood seem to be the only big velocity prospect guys.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #595 on: June 10, 2015, 09:41:09 am »
The Cubs have a lot of mid 90s pitchers in their system, but most of them have been moved into relief.  In addition to Black, you have Edwards (perhaps temporary), Paniagua, Francescon, Perakslis and Thorpe.  Most of them have had command problems, which probably is the reason why they are no longer starting.  They have also brought in young pitchers from the outside that are also mid 90s pitchers, the best of which have been Ramirez, Grimm and Rondon.

To me, it looks as if they have decided to take top hitters with their highest picks, and then bring in several high velocity, low command pitchers in the hopes that they can overcome their command problems at least enough to be effective relievers, and perhaps even enough to be good starters.

But in addition to that, they are also bringing in a lot of high command, lower velocity pitchers in the hopes of developing Hendricks-like starters.  All part of the "attack pitching with volume" strategy.

I would expect that they will draft three or four high velocity pitchers in the last 20 rounds, in the hope of striking gold.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #596 on: June 10, 2015, 10:50:03 am »
Thorpe throw's mid 90's?  I thought he was more of a soft tosser.  Were you thinking of Northwood?

The starters seem to sit low 90's and can touch mid 90's.  I'd put Edwards in that group.  That seems to be the Cubs sweet spot for starters.  They throw harder than Hendrix, but the aren't sitting mid 90's.  Reliever's seem to still be guys that throw harder, but not the 100 mph guys.




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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #597 on: June 10, 2015, 11:18:09 am »
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Cubs 11th Round Pick: Matt Rose, 3B, Georgia State.
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@BleacherNation A nice value selection there.

JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36  8m8 minutes ago
Cubs 11th-rounder Matt Rose is a solid performer with a great arm who would have pitching pot. if he could stay healthy.

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #598 on: June 10, 2015, 11:21:18 am »
12th Round PJ Higgins, 2B, Old Dominion

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #599 on: June 10, 2015, 11:28:41 am »
Scouting Report:

Rose got off to a hot start this spring and led the country in home runs well into the season. He finished the year with 16 home runs, the most in the Sun Belt Conference and fourth most in Georgia State history. Rose already has big righthanded power and could add more as he fills out his 6-foot-4, 195-pound frame. His swing has some length to it, but he’s a disciplined hitter and knows how to work a walk. Rose went to Georgia State as a two-way player, but an arm injury limited his time on the mound the last two years. He moved this spring to first base, which may end up being his defensive home as a professional.

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