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Dave23

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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #615 on: June 10, 2015, 12:59:50 pm »
Yankees just took Isiah Gilliam in round 20...
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #616 on: June 10, 2015, 01:14:14 pm »
Quote from: Reb on June 10, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
Yeah, very tough to get a pre-draft deal done with a prized Vandy recruit.

Wilson deal might be close to $1.5.

Would have thought such strategy would be all about pitching---like 2014. Can infer Cubs really like this kid.

Since the Cubs haven't even hedged their bet by drafting Cole Sands or one or more of the other highly-ranked HS pitchers, I assume they know Wilson's and Hudson's asking prices and are willing to meet them. But if they go $1 million over slot to sign Wilson, I really hope they're right and the rest of the baseball universe is wrong. MLB ranked him 129th and BA ranked him 178th.
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« Reply #617 on: June 10, 2015, 01:16:54 pm »
Think we can assume Cubs knew Wilson asking price pre-draft and maneuvered their draft to meet his price.

Hopefully, no misunderstandings going forward. Yeah, from this piece, seems like just a matter of finalizing the paperwork.

Seems like perception Cubs would go pitching heavy after first round was overstated. Drafted two interesting pitchers at 3 and 5---and at least one will be overslot--but CFers at 2 and 4 and big chunk of underslot money going to the HS CFer.

Theo and the gang can be unpredictable.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #618 on: June 10, 2015, 01:24:19 pm »
From the looks of things on the surface, this draft, to this point, appears to be a "lets just save some money and blow it all Internationally" kinda draft to me.

Am I wrong?
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #619 on: June 10, 2015, 01:25:51 pm »
Astros take Sands in round 22.
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« Reply #620 on: June 10, 2015, 01:29:36 pm »
BPA

I wouldn't assume all the money is going to Wilson, Hudson will be expensive. It would be nice to get some of the Cuban pitching as well.
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« Reply #621 on: June 10, 2015, 01:29:53 pm »
Quote from: StrikeZone on June 10, 2015, 01:24:19 pm
From the looks of things on the surface, this draft, to this point, appears to be a "lets just save some money and blow it all Internationally" kinda draft to me.

Am I wrong?

You would be right if Cubs spend well under their draft pool limit to sign their draft.

In other words, you are wrong.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #622 on: June 10, 2015, 01:30:31 pm »
Here's who the Cubs took in Round 18.

364 John Cresto ss  Cathedral Catholic HS, San Diego Calif. 44
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Scouting Report:

Cresto was a three-sport athlete at Cathedral Catholic High and is committed to Santa Clara, where his older sister plays volleyball. At 6-foot-3, 210 pounds, he has good size for an infielder and has some hitting ability, which he showcased during the Area Code Games. He repeats his low-maintenance swing and has some present strength, though scouts have to project on his power potential. He moves well for his size but profiles better at third base long term. He has a solid-average arm that fits on the left side of the infield.
 
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #623 on: June 10, 2015, 01:30:35 pm »
Quote from: Reb on June 10, 2015, 01:16:54 pm
Think we can assume Cubs knew Wilson asking price pre-draft and maneuvered their draft to meet his price.

Hopefully, no misunderstandings going forward. Yeah, from this piece, seems like just a matter of finalizing the paperwork.

Seems like perception Cubs would go pitching heavy after first round was overstated. Drafted two interesting pitchers at 3 and 5---and at least one will be overslot--but CFers at 2 and 4 and big chunk of underslot money going to the HS CFer.

Theo and the gang can be unpredictable.

Theo and the gang can also be wrong. Ejax was a big mistake, and I think Wilson may be another one.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #624 on: June 10, 2015, 01:32:33 pm »
Perhaps all this draft investment in CF might mean the Cubs are beginning to lose faith in Almora too. 
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #625 on: June 10, 2015, 01:35:01 pm »
http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2015-mlb-draft-primer-bonus-pool-slot-values-penalties-etc/

Says Cubs can go to $7.6 (counting overage) before hitting tax. 

Suppose:
1.  Happ and Dewees combine for full slot:  $4.5 used, $3.1 left.
2.  Kellogg and the seniors combine for $0.6
3.  That would then leave $2.5 for Hudson and Wilson. 

Obviously good shot that Happ and Dewees will sign somewhat under slot.  In which case either Kellogg and the seniors get a little bit more, or more likely Hudson and Wilson are actually costing even more than $2.5. 

So, presumably Hudson will be $1+ and Wilson will be $1.5 or more. 
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« Reply #626 on: June 10, 2015, 01:37:36 pm »
Don't think anybody said all the money is going to Wilson.

Hudson will take overslot too, obviously, but guessing bulk of extra money going to Wilson. Doesn't mean he's a better prospect than Hudson. Just means that Wilson--as one of Vandy's top 5 or 6 recruits--has/had a very credible bargaining chip to go college route. The greater the bargaining power--the better the return. Just market economics, everything else equal more or less.
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« Reply #627 on: June 10, 2015, 01:42:25 pm »
Quote from: Cubsin on June 10, 2015, 01:30:35 pm
Theo and the gang can also be wrong. Ejax was a big mistake, and I think Wilson may be another one.

So tell me who is infallible?

All you can ask for is to have smart guys who work hard and tend to have good judgment compared to their peers.

How often have we had that running the Cubs?

Think we do now.
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #628 on: June 10, 2015, 01:44:04 pm »
382 Casey Bloomquist rhp  Cal Poly Calif. 47
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Coming off a 12-2, 1.56 sophomore season, Bloomquist seemed poised to challenge Cal State Fullerton’s Thomas Eshelman for ace honors in the Big West Conference. He had a lesser season as an encore but out-pitched Eshelman when they met head-to-head and remains a dependable, potential back-end starter from a pro standpoint. Bloomquist has solid sink on his fastball and more life on the pitch than Eshelman does, with similar consistent 88-90 mph velocity, peaking at 92. His slider and changeup also help him get groundballs with late, sinking life and grade as average pitches as well; he didn’t give up a home run all season. Bloomquist lacks a put-away pitch but is durable and fairly athletic at 6-foot-3, 185 pounds.
 
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Re: 2015 MLB Draft
« Reply #629 on: June 10, 2015, 01:46:43 pm »
Sure, maybe it will be Hudson at $1.5 and Wilson $1.2, who knows until the deals come out.  But agree, Hudson probably floor is $1 and presumably Wilson higher. 

The market economics on Wilson may speak to his particular market:  what will it take to sign *him*.  But it does NOT apply to anybody else's market.  There were plenty of other prospects, good prospects, who would likely have been willing to sign for $1.5 or less, and who didn't have the Vandy factor. 

But, of all the guys out there, the Cubs decided that Wilson even with his Vandy-bargaining-power was still the better value/gamble/investment.  Again, they may we way wrong.  But if they saw him as on-par with three other guys, they may as well pick the guy without Vandy-inflation.  Suggests that in their valuation, rightly or wrongly, he really was BPA.  Very surprising. 

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