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dallasbear

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1320 on: November 28, 2017, 09:23:29 am »

I haven't seen the Philly game but I did see the highlights (or should I saw lowlights).  On one Trubisky interception to the right on 4th down, you see Trubisky throw into a crowd of 2 receivers and at least 3 defenders.  I know it was 4th down and Trubisky forced it but why do you have a pass pattern with 2 receivers in the same area?

And BTW the Dallas media is now saying the league has figured out Dak Prescott after 20 games or so.  Maybe it's not all about the QB.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1321 on: November 28, 2017, 10:45:02 am »
I think when you become predictable, keep running the same plays, it's easier to shut down a QB. You have to have a stellar QB with unbelievable accuracy (think Rodgers) to run the same stuff and be successful. Defenses are quicker at figuring it out than offenses are at being creative it seems anymore....

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1322 on: November 28, 2017, 10:28:30 pm »
I haven't seen the Philly game but I did see the highlights (or should I saw lowlights).  On one Trubisky interception to the right on 4th down, you see Trubisky throw into a crowd of 2 receivers and at least 3 defenders.  I know it was 4th down and Trubisky forced it but why do you have a pass pattern with 2 receivers in the same area?

And BTW the Dallas media is now saying the league has figured out Dak Prescott after 20 games or so.  Maybe it's not all about the QB.

I think the problem is Trubisky has been watching too many Cutler plays on the old tape machine in the quarterback room and its rubbing off on him.

dallasbear

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1323 on: November 29, 2017, 10:05:27 am »

It's pretty simple to defense the Bears these days.  Overplay the run and single up your DBs on the Bears receivers who at best would be #4 or #5 on most NFL team rosters.
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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1324 on: November 29, 2017, 10:27:26 am »
And Jimmy Garoppalo is coming to town

dallasbear

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1325 on: November 29, 2017, 10:36:49 am »
Mulligan spouting off on Pace getting fleeced in the Trubisky trade:


It was just more than 20 years ago when John Lynch, then a hard-hitting safety with the Buccaneers, first made a memorable impact on the Bears. Lynch bit on a play fake one late November day at Soldier Field, allowing Erik Kramer to complete a short pass in the flat to tight end John Allred.

Lynch recovered quickly, lined up Allred on the sideline and knocked the guy out cold with a glancing blow to the side of his head.

“I was asleep before I hit the ground,’’ Allred once said.

Interesting thing is that Allred is the younger brother of Lynch’s wife, Linda, and the two players were close friends who would talk a few times a week.

Lynch, born in Hinsdale but raised in San Diego, gave Bears general manager Ryan Pace the brother-in-law treatment during the NFL draft last April. Worst of all, Lynch, now the 49ers GM, laid out Pace in front of the old Monday Morning Quarterback himself, Peter King of Sports Illustrated.

King was allowed access to the 49ers war room and was privy to the negotiations with Pace. He concluded it was 80 percent likely the Bears would have landed Mitch Trubisky without moving up to the second spot in the draft and detailed how the 49ers squeezed an extra pick out of the Bears.

Reading King’s account you could conclude easily that Pace was duped. The only real question is why Lynch would want the story out. If you are going to fleece a guy, why not do it privately? That way you could invite him back for more and Pace sure came off as a desirable trading partner.

Bully for Lynch, who had just moved from the TV booth to the GM suite, another Stanford man in a position of privilege.

Pace, now three years removed from his job as Sean Payton’s personnel aide, won’t be judged on what he gave up in that deal, but rather on Trubisky’s NFL career. And in the euphoria of landing his man, the young GM likely forgave whatever indiscretion was involved.

But now, whatever gust of fresh air Trubisky brought with him when he took over from Mike Glennon is starting to smell as stale as the rotten sushi at Halas Hall. The patronizing superiority of finally landing a quarterback-of-the-future has turned into deeply suspicious anxiety.

How is it possible that Trubisky suddenly has produced numbers worse than Glennon’s? He has a significantly worse completion percentage (52.8 to 66.4) and a worse passer rating (70.8 to 76.8). They each have four touchdowns passes but Trubisky’s four interceptions are only one fewer than Glennon’s five.

The Bears, of course, are a significantly different team now than they were earlier in the season. They are more beaten up, and had a dozen different starters last week than the team that lined up to open the season.

Both quarterbacks dealt with few weapons and questionable coaching. Trubisky looks much more the part than Glennon, but the simple fact is through his seven starts, he only has hinted at the trajectory needed to become a franchise quarterback. He has plenty to learn to become the player Pace envisioned.

Meanwhile, Lynch landed two of the top players on his draft board, pass rusher Solomon Thomas at No. 3 and linebacker Reuben Foster in a trade up to No. 31. Thomas, a native Chicagoan, who moved to Australia at age 2 and then to Texas at 7, is the player Lynch thought the Bears wanted to move up to draft.

The 49ers biggest move of the season came much later, surrendering a second-round pick on Oct. 30 for former Rolling Meadows High star Jimmy Garoppolo, the guy who broke Tony Romo’s passing records at Eastern Illinois and was poised to be Tom Brady’s successor.

The Patriots’ price for Garoppolo before the draft was prohibitive, but eventually they decided to move him when they couldn’t sign him. Garoppolo is a free agent at season’s end and coach Kyle Shanahan has admitted the team plans to put a franchise tag on him.

The 49ers have been reluctant to start a player who doesn’t know the scheme, but he came in last week and threw for a touchdown in just more than one minute of play after C.J. Beathard went down. Shanahan announced Wednesday that Garoppolo would be making his first start Sunday against the Bears. The 49ers are expected to pay him a franchise tag number of around $23 million for next season. That’s a lofty price and means the player has all the leverage on a long-term deal.

The 49ers were extremely lucky to get a potential franchise quarterback to go with a couple of defensive studs. Not bad in the first year of the Lynch/Shanahan partnership that came with matching six-year deals.

Three years into Fox/Pace, the Bears would have hoped they wouldn’t be facing another meaningless December showdown with the 49ers, interesting mainly for draft implications. But that’s where they are: beaten and injured, in a four-game losing streak with public outcry for the coach’s job.

Surely, Pace is hoping to continue ducking the recrimination inherent in a loss to a 1-10 team. Pace got a reprieve with rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson’s injury, but now here comes Lynch ready to beat him silly with Jimmy Football. Not again.



 

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1326 on: November 29, 2017, 10:48:48 am »

Yeah, Pace gave up a 3 and a 4 and next year's 3 to trade up.  Maybe the 49ers wouldn't have taken Trubisky at 2, or maybe someone else trade's up.  Of course Pace could have just hoped and prayed that Trubisky would fall otherwise he was looking at a team with Glennon and Sanchez at QB.

But looking at the value chart the difference between the #2 and the #3 pick is 400 points.   Our #3 was worth 255 and our #4 about a 100.  So that's 355 right there.  Don't know the value of next year's #3 but I figure it's somewhere between the two.  So it's not like Pace gave up the farm to move up 1 spot.

And Mulligan compares Trubisky's performance to rotten sushi.  And Solomon Thomas has done what exactly?  2 sacks in 9 games.  And stud Reuben Foster is the MLB for a team that's 30th against the run.  Both players could get better but so can Trubisky.


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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1327 on: November 29, 2017, 04:21:41 pm »

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1328 on: November 29, 2017, 04:47:46 pm »
I like Trubisky. He's a rookie. We need better coaching. Hopefully we get someone next season that can develop a young QB.. Plus a few good receivers wouldn't hurt..

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1329 on: November 29, 2017, 08:10:36 pm »
So Mulligan wants to praise Lynch yet he's the one who is franchise tagging a guy who has played all of 5 or 6 games.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1330 on: November 30, 2017, 08:28:48 am »
I am hoping we have better options for our next HC....

We'll start the rebuild in the Windy City by working under an assumption that just about everyone is making with the Bears mired at 3-8 and in last place in the NFC North: Head coach John Fox will be fired.

And as Barry Rozner wrote for the Daily Herald, it isn't hard to make an argument that general manager Ryan Pace should get the axe too, given his track record over three seasons in Chicago.

The consensus appears to be, however, that Pace will be with the team in 2018, and his job will be two-fold.

First, the Bears need to go out and find a young, offensive-minded head coach. Pace rolled the dice on moving up in the 2017 draft to select Mitchell Trubisky as the team's franchise quarterback—just weeks after handing Mike Glennon $18.5 million in guaranteed money to come to Chicago.

The Bears don't need another retread coach. They need a young gun who can do for Trubisky what Sean McVay appears to have done for Jared Goff in Los Angeles. Most of the criticism being directed at Trubisky in 2017 was also tossed Goff's way a year ago. "But" was being bandied about with some frequency.

The Bears probably don't offer an attractive enough situation to lure Josh McDaniels away from the New England Patriots, but perhaps they could poach 33-year-old Jim Bob Cooter away from the Detroit Lions. Or the Bears could consider going in house with offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains.

Don't groan. Loggains isn't nearly as responsible for Chicago's offensive struggles as the problem that created Step 2: Trubisky needs help.

Offensively, the Bears have tailback Jordan Howard and...nothing else. Chicago has arguably the weakest receiving corps in the league. The Kevin White pick was a waste. The team let Alshon Jeffery walk in free agency and replaced him with a group of castoffs.

A Chicago offensive line that was thought to be a strength has regressed in a big way as well. Injuries have played a part there, but they don't fully explain why the Bears rank outside the top 20 in both run and pass-blocking at Football Outsiders.

Trubisky's in the same no-win situation Goff was in a year ago: poor coaching (at least at the top), a below-average line in front of him and jack squat in the way of viable targets to throw to.

The kid could be a phenomenal quarterback and he isn't going to succeed in that mess.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1331 on: November 30, 2017, 10:30:46 am »
I am hoping we have better options for our next HC....

Yes, and better than retread and Michigan failure Jim Hairball, who couldnt rescue the Michigan program.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1332 on: November 30, 2017, 12:42:02 pm »
The Bears brought another safety back from IR, closing the book on oft-injured wideout Kevin White‘s third season.

Via Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, the Bears designated veteran safety Quintin Demps to return from injured reserve. He broke his left forearm in Week Three and needed surgery.

He’ll practice today, and be eligible to be promoted to the active roster anytime the next three weeks.

Last week, the Bears designated safety Deiondre’ Hall to come back from IR.

They still had to make a roster move at the position Thursday, bringing Chris Prosinski back, since they had two other safeties injured and out of practice.

By making the Demps move, the Bears officially won’t be bringing White back this year. The 2015 first-rounder suffered a broken scapula in the opener, and had surgery.

Since being drafted seventh overall, White has played five games and caught 21 passes.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1333 on: November 30, 2017, 01:55:26 pm »
That could be the book  closer on White's Bear career.  That wouldnt surprise me.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1334 on: November 30, 2017, 02:33:05 pm »

It WOULD surprise me.  We need numbers at WR next year.  Bring him back and see if he can make the team and is worthy of his $2.6M salary.  If he's not that means we have better receivers.

The good news on his last injury is that it wasn't below the waist - it shouldn't affect his mobility/speed conditioning.