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dallasbear

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1365 on: December 05, 2017, 04:12:36 pm »

Bears have been among the top 10 in available cap space the last 2 years...something like $50M.

If they can't afford a veteran guard then what talent is eating up all their cap space?   

Bears should be in excellent shape next year with Glennon coming off the cap ($18M).

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1366 on: December 05, 2017, 04:25:52 pm »
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1367 on: December 05, 2017, 04:28:34 pm »



 
Bears have been among the top 10 in available cap space the last 2 years...something like $50M.

If they can't afford a veteran guard then what talent is eating up all their cap space?   

Bears should be in excellent shape next year with Glennon coming off the cap ($18M).


 Damn DAL,


 I wish it was about MONEY ... it's about TALENT !!


 Do we have any ? Can we add more ?



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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1368 on: December 05, 2017, 04:37:19 pm »



 
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...


 The past is DEAD G34.


 Find us a kicker in the seventh round in 2018.


 Unless of course you found something hotter in a round before that.  ;D

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1369 on: December 05, 2017, 05:20:16 pm »

Lots of kickers bounce around the league...they're an odd bunch.

But Sunday's game was not about Gould beating the Bears - yeah, he kicked 5 field goals - none longer than 35 yards.  It was a nice story for the media.

But the real story was the defense not able to stop Grappolo and the 49ers when they needed to.  And at the end when they didn't need to stop them - they stopped them.

And 2nd story was our offensive line getting whipped trying to run the ball and relying on our rookie QB and receivers to bail them out.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1370 on: December 05, 2017, 06:18:10 pm »
Unrein and Long were added to the IR today.  Bullard will get plenty of playing time to see if he can be a solid DE.  I dont know what they do with Long's spot.  Maybe Whitehair to G and Grasu to C.  Give Grasu a few games to prove he belongs in the NFL.  The other option is starting Compton.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1371 on: December 05, 2017, 07:07:29 pm »
The offseason when Gould was released he missed at least two game winning, tying field goal attempts.  He also missed the 40+ yarder in the dome against Minny when a good kick would have put us in the playoffs.  Of course Trestman elected to kick on 2nd down...

Gould's percentage wasn't horrible, but it was when he missed the field goals that mattered.
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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1372 on: December 05, 2017, 08:29:17 pm »
Bears 2017....better, or worse than Bears 2014, i.e. has this team made any progress or is it going nowhere fast....let's see:


                  2014                              2017                        Better, Worse, Equal

OFFENSE

QB -           Cutler                             Trubisky                                  Equal, possibly worse

 RB -           Forte                              Jordan                                    Equal

WR -           Jeffery                            White
                   Royal                              Merrideth                              Worse
                   Bellami                           Wheaton
                   Aromashadu                    Wright       

TE -             Bennett                          Miller                                     Worse
                   Miller                              Simms     

OL -             Bushrod                         Leno
                    Slauson                         Sitton
                    Long                              Long                                      Slight improvement
                    Garza                             Whitehair
                    Mills                               Massie

P -               O'Donnell                       O'Donnell                                Equal

K -               Gould                             Barth,etc etc                           Worse


DEFENSE

DL -             Young                           Bullard                                     Better
                    Houston                        Hicks
                    Allen                             Unrein
                    Anderson                       Jenkins                   
                    Bass                              Goldman
                    Sutton
                    Ratliff
                    Ferguson

LB -              Acho                              Floyd                                     Better
                    Bostic                             Freeman
                    Briggs                            Trevathan
                    McClellin                         Young
                    McPhee                           McPhee

CB -             Fuller                              Fuller                                    Better
                    Hurst                              Amukamara
                    Jennings                         Cooper
                    Hayden                           Callahan       

S -               Vereen                           Amos                                     Better
                    Steltz                              Jackson
                    Rolle                               Bush
                    Mundy                             Demps

Writing this I am struck by how incredibly pathetic the safety situation was in 14'. CB wasn't much better, so those spots could only hope to go up from the bottom. This list is my opinion....
                   
                 

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chifaninva

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1373 on: December 06, 2017, 05:03:05 am »
I think the running back situation is better (slightly). QB I would say is better, in hopes that there is some future. We knew what we had in Cutler.

You didn't have coach listed. Wow, is that a fukking toss up. I would have to say that maybe, just maybe Trestman was better. Fire Fox now!!

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1374 on: December 06, 2017, 06:19:31 am »
 I figure we'll be selecting in the top three in the draft. I'd prefer to trade down with a team in need of a QB for a bunch of picks. I'm just not seeing the can't miss prospect in any of these upcoming draftees. I think we need to acquire two solid WRs thru free agency. Unfortunately Alshon has resigned with the Eagles. Devante Adams would be a nice addition.Maybe Sammie Watkins? Not real impressed with this WR draft class.
  Maybe we should consider drafting another QB somewhere in the draft. Definitely need a CB and OT.I'd love to see us pull off a trade down with Cleveland for their second 1st rounder and their first 2nd rounder.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1375 on: December 06, 2017, 07:55:17 am »
Just say no to Grasu.  He needs to go.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1376 on: December 06, 2017, 10:35:06 am »

I figure we'll be selecting in the top three in the draft. I'd prefer to trade down with a team in need of a QB for a bunch of picks. I'm just not seeing the can't miss prospect in any of these upcoming draftees. I think we need to acquire two solid WRs thru free agency. Unfortunately Alshon has resigned with the Eagles. Devante Adams would be a nice addition.Maybe Sammie Watkins? Not real impressed with this WR draft class.
  Maybe we should consider drafting another QB somewhere in the draft. Definitely need a CB and OT.I'd love to see us pull off a trade down with Cleveland for their second 1st rounder and their first 2nd rounder.


You only trade down if the guys coming available at your spot are not difference makers or you believe you can get better value moving down with multiple picks.  Definitely wouldn't rule it out.

I totally agree about the WRs thru free agency.  We need a top tier guy AND a 2nd tier guy and I wouldn't be opposed to possibly adding another one via the draft (depending on what we get in free agency).  Throw those guys in there with Meridith and White returning from injury and a re-signed Inman and you just might have some targets for Trubisky that might last the whole season.

As for the draft of a WR.  I looked at last year's first round crop - all taken top 10:
Corey Davis - Titans - 22 catches 0 TDs
Mike Wiliams Chargers - 9 catches 0 TDs
John Ross Bengals 0 catches  (he's only played in 3 games, maybe he's been hurt but he was the guy that broke the 40 yard dash times)

Even the 2016 first round class has not been overly productive and if they have been they can't stay healthy (Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell).  Fuller is a stud but he's only played 6 games this year.

Not saying these guys are busts, but I think WR aside from QB is probably one of the riskiest choices in round 1. 

I'm still eyeing elite pass rushers with our first round pick.  But you couldn't go wrong with a top corner and reluctantly maybe we need to look at offensive lineman.  I'm not that down on Leno and Massie as I am the interior guys.  I really don't have a problem with our line's pass blocking but their run blocking sukks lately.

The past couple of drafts Pace has traded up in round 1 and down in round 2.  But Bears could use some more picks to infuse more talent on this team.






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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1377 on: December 06, 2017, 10:42:04 am »

Just say no to Grasu.  He needs to go.


He'll be in his final year of his contract next year for $705K.  That's cheap.  But that's not the issue.  The fact that they are putting Compton in at RG rather than inserting Grasu and sliding Whitehair over tells me something.  We'll see how it goes Sunday.

I think Eric Kush is going to be our swing guy next year.  Grasu appears to be a center only and unless you're starting, teams don't keep backup centers.   

And with Sitton and Long signed for next year - I don't see the Bears moving Whitehair to guard.
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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1378 on: December 06, 2017, 12:57:18 pm »
All you need to see is Grasu getting pushed backwards constantly.  He is the weakest link when he plays.  Time to go.

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Re: 2017 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1379 on: December 06, 2017, 02:22:54 pm »
Think this is the year for as many picks as they can possibly get. This team is improving so slowly that it needs a good infusion of youth. If they have a top 3 pick, trade it and grab as many picks as they can get IMO. They've been out of the playoffs now for 7 years. Something needs to change...