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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1380 on: November 04, 2019, 03:05:57 pm »
We can get Chad Kelly for nothing.

If we build the trenches well, we don't need a franchise QB...we could win with a Bridgewater or a Kelly or even a Mariota...just someone to make the right read when given enough time in the pocket.

This has been Pace's biggest failure. He kept trading up for skill players and giving up draft picks that should have been used to add OL depth. 3 years now I've been hoping for more OL draft picks... and nada. The team should be drafting a OL in the first 3 rounds, every single year.
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1381 on: November 04, 2019, 03:21:05 pm »
I don't think you just change the QB and fix everything unless their name is Rodgers or Brady or Wilson.  All of the other QB's you have to build a system around

Nagy is stubborn to a fault.  He needs to resign himself that Trubisky is not at the 200 level and will need extra class time to get there.  He may, he may not.  But he has traits and skills and does some things well.  Nagy just goes away from it because it isn't what he wants to run.

He is going to stubborn himself right out of the league.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1382 on: November 04, 2019, 04:04:11 pm »
I read somewhere there is still time to cut no snap Davis for a 4th...
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1383 on: November 04, 2019, 04:21:58 pm »
As dave pointed out you dont need an amazing QB if you have a Oline that is a positive in the run game and keep the QB clean.

Look at the cowboys, they have a terrible coach, terrible GM. Competent on offense most nights. And it all starts with the OL. They have drafted a OL in the 1st or 2nd round now. in 6 of the last 8 years, plus they signed lael collins when he had his draft fiasco. They also have had absolute **** offensive coordinators, but somehow Dak can stand back there for 5 minutes and find the open receiver most plays.

Even though their line is stacked, they still spent a 2nd on Mcgovern this past year. They will likely draft another OL this coming draft at the top as well with Smith now having some more significant back issues.
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1384 on: November 04, 2019, 05:33:10 pm »
Bears 'method'ology has been find the linemen down the draft, later rounds. Get lucky and find a stud. They don't put as much emphasis on drafting linemen high. When was the last tackle we drafted high? Guessing it was quite a while ago and it shows. What's left of this coming draft has to be putting high emphasis on linemen....
The last tackle they drafted within the top 4 slots?....Gabe Carimi 2011. They've drafted two since and both are from the bottom of the draft, Leno being one. This is most definitely a significant reason why they are sitting at the bottom of the Division presently.
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1385 on: November 04, 2019, 05:56:47 pm »
Chris Willaims, Stan Thomas were both tackles drafted high.  Williams was top 10, I think Thomas was a 20  Marc Columbo.  He was always injured for us then as a member of the Cowboys leg whipped Tommie Harris and our defense was weakened just enough to lose the Superbowl in 2006

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1386 on: November 04, 2019, 07:11:59 pm »
I think Kyle Long was our most recent 1st round OL. Seems like Daniels and Whitehair were both  2nd rounders.  Those are kind of high picks for interior OL.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1387 on: November 04, 2019, 07:22:31 pm »
Angelo & Emory failed because they pretty much ignored the OL. Look at the OL on the 85 Bears. Hilgenberg, Thayer, Bortz, Van Horne & Jimbo Covert. 34 years on and they're still remembered. Look at the OL the Bears started yesterday.

Pace is making the same mistake Angelo & Emory did. Don't see why he should be given any more failure time than they were.

Reasonable play calling could mitigate some of the problems, and a competent quarterback would help, but you are right.  The core of the problem is the offensive line.  With no high draft choice this year, it will be difficult to address this problem in the immediate future.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1388 on: November 04, 2019, 07:42:06 pm »
I think Kyle Long was our most recent 1st round OL. Seems like Daniels and Whitehair were both  2nd rounders.  Those are kind of high picks for interior OL.
Ironically enough, those are the two pieces that don’t need replacing...
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1389 on: November 04, 2019, 08:18:28 pm »
Bears 'method'ology has been find the linemen down the draft, later rounds. Get lucky and find a stud. They don't put as much emphasis on drafting linemen high. When was the last tackle we drafted high? Guessing it was quite a while ago and it shows. What's left of this coming draft has to be putting high emphasis on linemen....
The last tackle they drafted within the top 4 slots?....Gabe Carimi 2011. They've drafted two since and both are from the bottom of the draft, Leno being one. This is most definitely a significant reason why they are sitting at the bottom of the Division presently.

You can call me all the names you like over on the other thread, but dont associate my name with what the bears are doing to the Oline, thats a step to far...
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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1390 on: November 04, 2019, 09:02:40 pm »
The Bears have two second round picks which could also be quite high.  Amakamura, Trevathan and Long likely out and Clinton Dix may not want to stay.
There will be decisions to be made.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1391 on: November 04, 2019, 09:13:22 pm »
Until Nagy is replaced, nothing else matters.  He's the worst head coach in franchise history and one of the worst in the history of the NFL.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1392 on: November 04, 2019, 10:35:55 pm »
You never heard of Abe Gibron?

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1393 on: November 05, 2019, 05:21:18 am »
John Harbaugh effectively transitioned the Ravens from a declining Superbowl winning team under Flacco, to an upstart challenger in the AFC with the anti Joe Flacco in Lamar Jackson.  The QBs could not be more different, and the styles of offense were adapted to fit the skill set of the QB running the position.  Nagy has a vision, perhaps an amazing one, but this team and this QB does not meet that vision.

I rank the offensive issues in order as Nagy and his stubbornness to adapt his scheme, the offensive tackles, and then the QB.  It can be said that a great QB can hide a lot of flaws and we look no further than our own division to see that on the regular with Rodgers.  But Trubisky isn't Rodgers, and unless the Packers want to swap with us at the end of the season, Rodgers isn't coming.  Nagy needs to adapt or be replaced.

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Re: 2019 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1394 on: November 05, 2019, 07:30:04 am »
You never heard of Abe Gibron?

It's close, but Nagy is worse.