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JR

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2130 on: February 06, 2018, 10:05:24 am »
method, just sent you an email.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2131 on: February 07, 2018, 11:53:08 am »
Some bargins for today.

Teoscar Hernandez available for a 9th.
Peraza or Montgomery available for a 7th.
Haniger available for a 5

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2132 on: February 07, 2018, 05:50:34 pm »
We need to vote on how we will contract IF we must contract.  4 days left.

I've asked Dave and Boris to summarize the benefits of supplemental draft vs. moving players into the pool.
This if Boris' view.  I will post Dave's when I get it.  Be prepared to vote in the morning.  Choices:
A)     Throw the contracted teams players into the pool for the draft (minors players into minor league draft, major league players into major league draft), or
B)      Have a supplemental draft for the contracted teams players
I believe the best solution is to throw all of the contracted players into the pool for the regular draft. My reasons are:
By throwing all players into the pool, it still gives the teams picking first a chance to pick up the best players (e.g Kris Bryant) while expanding the pool slightly.

My issue with a “supplemental” draft is how to run it fairly? If we do the lottery, then have a supplemental draft, the team winning the lottery and having first crack can then realistically get two first picks – one in the supplemental draft and then one in the “real” draft – meaning realistically a team finishing 8th – and lucking out in the lottery – could end up with Ohtani AND Bryant – hardly fair to the other teams finishing at the bottom.

 There could be other scenarios for a supplemental draft, but each one penalises other teams and weighs the picks too heavily in the first picking teams favour IMO.
By throwing all players into the pool, the lower finishing teams still get a crack at the best talent without penalising the rest of the league.
While I don’t have a massive problem with a supplemental draft to assist the lower teams, there would have to be some balance and I don’t see a fair solution that doesn’t penalise all but a few teams.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2133 on: February 07, 2018, 06:30:23 pm »
One thing to think about throwing the contracted players into the draft, though, a lot of teams have already traded early round picks who might not have if they knew Kris Bryant, Javy Baez, Yasiel Puig, etc were going to be added to the draft pool.  Teams who might have traded a middle of the first round pick would probably be kicking themselves if a guy like Baez was available around that time.

Tough call on how to do it equitably.  I think a supplemental draft with the 15th place team picking first is the way to go, myself, and EightyTwo can consider himself lucky.

If EightyTwo got even luckier and wins the draft lottery, it wouldn't be any different than buff if he had won the draft lottery.  Either team would still have both Bryant and Ohtani (or whoever they'd take #1). 


Definitely a tough call though.
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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2134 on: February 07, 2018, 07:13:22 pm »
Gee, JR.  I wonder if that's why we said to vote what was best for the  league and not for himself.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2135 on: February 07, 2018, 07:28:11 pm »

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« Reply #2136 on: February 07, 2018, 08:17:44 pm »
I say no to a supplemental draft. Throw them all in the pool and go from there.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2137 on: February 07, 2018, 08:22:41 pm »
One thing to think about throwing the contracted players into the draft, though, a lot of teams have already traded early round picks who might not have if they knew Kris Bryant, Javy Baez, Yasiel Puig, etc were going to be added to the draft pool.  Teams who might have traded a middle of the first round pick would probably be kicking themselves if a guy like Baez was available around that time.

Tough call on how to do it equitably.  I think a supplemental draft with the 15th place team picking first is the way to go, myself, and EightyTwo can consider himself lucky.

If EightyTwo got even luckier and wins the draft lottery, it wouldn't be any different than buff if he had won the draft lottery.  Either team would still have both Bryant and Ohtani (or whoever they'd take #1). 


Definitely a tough call though.

This is true, but what about the poor bastard that traded a player with Buff to get a 5th round pick, and now doesn't have the player OR the pick!
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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2138 on: February 07, 2018, 08:23:31 pm »
I'd prefer to allow Dave a chance to express his views before we vote.

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« Reply #2139 on: February 07, 2018, 08:24:46 pm »
This is true, but what about the poor bastard that traded a player with Buff to get a 5th round pick, and now doesn't have the player OR the pick!
nobody likes that bastard anyhow, mate

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2140 on: February 07, 2018, 09:04:10 pm »
My thoughts on a supplemental draft.

We would conduct it much like the Rule V draft is run. 15 teams, in order from worst to first. Each team either takes a player or passes. After Round 1 is completed, we repeat the process thru subsequent rounds until we reach a point where no team makes a pick in any given round.

Thoughts:

In lieu of going worst to first based strictly on order of finish in 2017, we could do the last two seasons, if that was considered to be more fair.

The point of the supplemental is simple: to build up the lesser teams in the league, making the league more balanced and keeping more owners vested over a longer portion of the season (which has been a problem for quite a while now). The gap between the top teams in the league and the bottom teams in the league is wide enough that no one player will come close to making a dent in the deficit. Truthfully, no two players would, either. The way our league is constructed, team rebuilds can take a number of years to bear fruit, and only with quite a bit of luck.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2141 on: February 07, 2018, 09:27:11 pm »
Excellent.  Thank you, Dave and Boris.

Now we can vote.
Please read both Dave and Boris' posts.
Then vote, not on what players you mivht get, but on what's best for the league.
Please vote before noon on Sunday, our deadline for finding another owner,
IF we end up contracting and we vote for supplemental draft very soon so that owners can trade and adjust their tosters in preparing to declare their 13.


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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2142 on: February 07, 2018, 10:21:49 pm »
Should contraction occur, now and in the future, this procedure will be set in the rules:

A. All players from the contracted team(s) shall go into the main pool to be distributed during the main MLB and minor league drafts.

B. A supplemental draft shall be had prior to declaring an owner's 13, from worst to first, and continuing until no one wishes to draft.  Owners who see no benefit to their rosters may pass.

Dave and Boris, make sure I have worded that correctly.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2143 on: February 07, 2018, 10:49:12 pm »
It occurs to me that Dave didn't say that the supplemental draft would take place before the 13 were declared, but that is, in my mind, another good argument for supplemental.  It would mean more of the top owners having to release good players into the pool if they take from the contracted team and then have to declare their keepers.

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Re: BBFL 2017
« Reply #2144 on: February 07, 2018, 11:31:27 pm »
Indeed, which means for the most part that teams will be dropping a 400 point player to grab a 450 point player.

I mean, we’re talking about a team that was so bad, the 15th place team was closer to 1st than to 16th...