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AZSteve

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1095 on: June 02, 2011, 08:52:17 am »
aye there's the rub...

Eastcoastfan

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1096 on: June 02, 2011, 10:46:52 am »
You might be right, Ron.  But I think, unless things turn around and there is reason for optimism by the end of the year, keeping Hendry will suppress attendance and revenue.  In the face of that, you would have to be an awfully strong believer in "the system" that Hendry has in place to make the investment that keeping him would entail.  So what data would support such a belief and investment?  He has had 15 years to implement a successful system and he has failed rather dramatically.  And our farm now -- while perhaps providing a basis for some guarded optimism -- isn't THAT promising.

The respected Bruce Miles has already been beating the "hire a baseball man as President" drum.  I think that this theme will likely catch on big time by the end of this year.

But then again, Nostradamus I am not.  It is hard to find people who are more frequently wrong in their predictions than I am.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1097 on: June 02, 2011, 11:04:44 am »
Hendry has.... had 15 years to implement a successful system and he has failed rather dramatically.

While I know it has been established more than once that I am sometimes math-challenged, how does the period from 2003 to 2011 become 15 years?

Whatever role Hendry had, or however he executed his role, before 2003, it was not a role where he determined what the "system" would be.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1098 on: June 02, 2011, 11:41:48 am »
Yeah, meddling owners like Steinbrenner and Cuban are the worst.  Thank God for Ricketts.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1099 on: June 02, 2011, 11:44:27 am »
Fire them all and kill all the lawyers!

(That last bit was from Shakespeare.)

Abe Shakespaeare

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1100 on: June 02, 2011, 11:45:23 am »
It's amazing to me that the Cubs have done such a good job sabotaging Zambrano's value (through bad PR and the unnecessary bullpen debacle last year) that he is perceived as being close to immovable in a trade.  If you list his accomplishments, he should be one of the hottest commodities on a potential trade market if the Cubs throw in a couple million dollars.  121-76, 3.53 ERA (39-21, 3.78 ERA over the last 3+ years).  Never had an ERA over 3.95 in a full season.  Compared to other pitchers, he adds real value with the bat in the NL.  Even though he's been around for 10 years, he just turned 30 yesterday. 

Yes, he has issues.  But despite his on-field antics, his teammates have consistently said he's a good teammate behind the scenes.  His craziness doesn't translate to the locker room like it does with Carlos Silva or Milton Bradley.  I have no doubt that if the Yankees or Red Sox PR people were behind Zambrano, his faults would be perceived as nothing more than intensity and acceptable quirks for a player as productive as he is.  And he'd be positioned as the marquee pitching name on the potential trade market in July.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1101 on: June 02, 2011, 11:46:15 am »
Hendry took control of the farm system in 1995, and the draft in 1996.  When he became GM, he replaced himself with farm and draft bosses of his choosing.  He's had a full 15 years to implement a successful procurement and development system. 

It may be that he's just had an unlucky 15 years.  It may be that after 15 years to kind of get acclimated, that now he's ready to have it produce.

It may be that he's had a great system, but that two things have gotten in the way.  He's had some bad luck, and upper management hasn't allowed him the resources needed to operate a successful procurement-and-development operation. 

Or it may be that the procurement-and-development operation should be viewed as a strong success.  Or as a flower that doesn't look that great right now, but is just about ready to blossom. 

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1102 on: June 02, 2011, 11:48:16 am »
I have no doubt that if the Yankees or Red Sox PR people were behind Zambrano, his faults would be perceived as nothing more than intensity and acceptable quirks for a player as productive as he is. 

Just Z being Z . . .

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1103 on: June 02, 2011, 01:06:49 pm »
And thus, Curt proves his point.

Post of the week!

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« Reply #1104 on: June 02, 2011, 01:28:33 pm »
Only five teams have had a more significant drop in per game attendance than the Cubs 

Cubs      - 3644
Braves   -  3857
Mariners - 3959
Rays      - 3086
Mets      - 4057
Dodgers  - 7161

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/current_attendance.shtml

Cubs
2011 - 34,818
2010 - 37,814
2009 - 39,611
2008 - 40,743

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1105 on: June 02, 2011, 01:53:13 pm »
Yeah, meddling owners like Steinbrenner and Cuban are the worst.  Thank God for Ricketts.

Peter Angelos.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1106 on: June 02, 2011, 01:53:33 pm »
This is the first Barry Rozner column I've read in a while, and honestly, I think a lot of it is spot on for once.
 
Quade can start managing Cubs any time
 
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110601/sports/706019764
 
But now you can count me among those wondering if he was ready for this, who think he's going to have a very short major-league career if he doesn't stop being pals with the players and start understanding he's their boss, not their friend.
 
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No wonder the players wanted him back last fall, with Ryan Dempster saying, “He's one of us.”
 
So far, he has been one of them. He's their friend. He lets veteran starting pitchers decide how long they want to stay in games, and he's reluctant to move former stars out of key spots in the order despite poor performance. He doesn't bench the lazy and unproductive.
 
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He seems unwilling to criticize or discipline, and when players know this they take advantage, which is what they've done.
 
There have been dozens of examples so far this year with “Demp,” “Garz,” “Z,” “Sori,” and “Rami,” to name just a few of his buddies.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1107 on: June 02, 2011, 02:10:46 pm »
I have no problems with Ricketts at all...He ain't no dummy and he'll do what he has to do when the time is right and if that means dumping Hendry, he won't be afraid to do it.

As far as Hendry is concerned, I still don't think he has been a bad GM. Mistakes? Yes, some certainly. Totally incompetent? Absolutely not. He is a great baseball guy who knows his stuff and the good has far outweighed the bad during his tenure. Face it, alot of the decisions that are made are hit and miss for all organizations and it just so happens we ain't hitting on all decisions. That is not 100 percent Hendry's fault.

I think Hendry realizes that despite his good moves and decisions, the bottom line is winning and if we don't win, he'll be gone. I still personally feel, he's been the best GM the Cubs have had in eons.

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« Reply #1108 on: June 02, 2011, 02:20:52 pm »
I've never been a Hendry basher and I think he's a smart baseball guy, but I'm also kind of curious what a younger, more "modern" type of GM could do with the franchise.  I know that some of those types have not panned out, but I'd be curious how a different approach might work for the Cubs.  I'm also fine with keeping Hendry on for the time being too, probably because I remember Jim Frey and Ed Lynch and Larry Himes and you can do a whole lot worse.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1109 on: June 02, 2011, 02:53:29 pm »
Rickets ain't dumb.

If the Cubs were a ship, they would be the Titanic.

He bought the worst franchise in sports history.

He may not be dumb but he ain't smart.