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ben

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1170 on: June 04, 2011, 11:57:24 pm »
Agreed, Strike...and it's not as though the situation is likely to get a lot worse.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1171 on: June 05, 2011, 09:22:27 am »
Just surfing other websites/boards:
Common Themes:

TR is clueless, needs a baseball man fast

Not watching anymore, just looking at highlights and boxscores

Not attending any games this year

Quade has been exposed as weak but there is considerable sympathy that nobody could do anything with this roster

Anger at Ramirez, Dempster, and Soriano.  (Nobody elsewhere defending Dempster last few starts)

Lot more love elsewhere for Fukudome and Barney.

Most hoping Hendry fired after draft, bring in new people to make trades and reshape this season for next.  (No real explanation of how to do all that.)

Don't shoot the ****ing messenger!


buff

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1172 on: June 05, 2011, 09:39:12 am »
It really is time to start fixing this team.  The first thing that must be done is to show Hendry the door.  Get a team president if you have to but get a new GM in here and let him have the 2 months before the deadline to evaluate and try to move guys that need to be moved.  I would revamp the whole minor league system as well.  Wilken all or them show them the door and start over.  Pay whatever you need to to get Soraino off the team.  Pay Dempster to either void his player option or promise not to exercise it.  Ditto for A-Ram.  If both those guys did that we might actually be able to move them for some value. 

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1173 on: June 05, 2011, 09:53:45 am »
I don't see any need to replace Wilken. During his regime, he's lost several draft picks due to all the free agent signings, and has recently suffered from severe budget limitations. Similarly, I have no beef about our Asian scouts. I'm more upset about our player development and  our underperforming veteran players with ridiculously long guaranteed contracts.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1174 on: June 05, 2011, 09:54:09 am »
I mean Dempster has a 14 million dollar player option for next year.  Is it legal to tell Ryan to not pick up the option and we will make the difference up on any contract you sign next year to do so.  So if he would sign next year at 8 million we throw in 6 million so he wouldn't lose his money?  What else would it cost us to get Ryan to agree to that? 

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1175 on: June 05, 2011, 09:59:51 am »
The cubs should be on the phone right now with the Giants about Soto.  I'm skeptical about Soto and think we should deal him before he gets expensive and has real trade value. 

I just don't think he is great defensively and gets injured too much.  Those injuries will begin to mount as he gets older.  I just don't see him aging well. 

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1176 on: June 05, 2011, 10:34:36 am »
I mean Dempster has a 14 million dollar player option for next year.  Is it legal to tell Ryan to not pick up the option and we will make the difference up on any contract you sign next year to do so.  So if he would sign next year at 8 million we throw in 6 million so he wouldn't lose his money?  What else would it cost us to get Ryan to agree to that? 

That would be a major violation there.

JR

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1177 on: June 05, 2011, 10:45:51 am »
I don't like the idea of trading Soto.  Yeah he's inconsistent and yeah he gets hurt.  Still it is tough enough to find quality catchers in this league just to trade one with Soto's upside away.  Think about all those years with guys like Hundley, Girardi, Bako, Servais, etc.
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JeffH

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1178 on: June 05, 2011, 10:45:59 am »
That would be a major violation there.

It would not, however, be a violation if Dempster would agree to exercise his option at the time of the trade (assuming the team trading for him would want him for 2012 at $8).  Then the Cubs could send $6 to the team trading for Dempster.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1179 on: June 05, 2011, 11:13:43 am »
Curt, I've noticed many of the same criticisms here and in other places too.  The one that seems a little over the top to me is the over the top anger with Ramirez.  Not that he's been good...but he's far from the biggest problem. 

Outside of homerun power, his hitting is pretty much in line with his career numbers.  He has always been questionable defensively...he hasn't declined that far this year.  Basically, if he had 3-5 more homers (which he could have had with a little better weather in early-mid April), he'd be right where you'd expect for a player of his ability and injury history going into decline.

Again, not saying he's good...but he's far from the same category as Soriano, the rest of the non-fukudome outfield, the starting staff outside Zambrano & Garza, etc.

JeffH

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1180 on: June 05, 2011, 11:17:01 am »
Outside of homerun power, his hitting is pretty much in line with his career numbers.

lol

That's like saying, "Other than this cancer ravaging my body, I'm enjoying the same robust health I always have.".

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1181 on: June 05, 2011, 11:21:24 am »
It's tough to be too mad at someone like Ramirez who is just getting older and just doesn't have the skills he used to have.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1182 on: June 05, 2011, 11:21:52 am »
I think You try and deal Soto.  He isn't a guy who is going to age well.  As for Soriano I'm to the point that even if they just release him it would almost be better for the franchise. 

Hopefully Zambrano remains good and you can deal him to the Yankees. 

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1183 on: June 05, 2011, 11:51:28 am »
The main problem I have with ARam is my perception that he spends his offseason time in his Barcolounger, rather than in the gym. He can't help getting older, but he could work harder to be in the best possible physical condition.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1184 on: June 05, 2011, 11:54:21 am »
ARAM reminds me so much of Bobby Bonilla.  Bonilla was a guy that seemed like once he got his huge payday he pretty much stopped working at staying in shape and lacked drive to keep working.