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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1200 on: June 05, 2011, 06:37:12 pm »
I've said it for years...Marmol is a huge time bomb.  Most closers are (look at Soria in KC, for example).  And given his inability to throw strikes, all Marmol has to do is lose a little off his stuff and he is going to flame out fast.  I said all last year that the Cubs should make Marmol available.  His reputation exceeds his value to the Cubs.  This isn't a new thing from me...just something I'm repeating now after two ugly appearances this week.

I don't consider Marmol that much of a non-hole.  He's very good, sure.  But he's not a Trevor Hoffman or Billy Wagner or Mariano Rivera.  He's more of an Eric Gagne, and his collapse is no more than 1-2 years away.  He'll bring a ton in a trade this offseason (assuming he pitches fine the rest of the year)...but the Cubs will be regretting his extension before it is over.

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« Reply #1201 on: June 05, 2011, 06:39:21 pm »
Jim Hendry, the Barack Obama of Major League Baseball.

No one is excepted from the misery he brings.



Funny...he doesn't look Kenyan    ;)

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« Reply #1202 on: June 05, 2011, 06:43:28 pm »
Since their 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, ---, 10-10 start, the Cubs are 13-24.

Houston trails San Diego 4-1 in the fourth.  An Astro comeback and the Cubs would be within ½ game of the worst record in the National League.

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« Reply #1203 on: June 05, 2011, 06:51:14 pm »
Carrie Muskat:


“The problem wasn’t Pujols,” Zambrano said. ” The problem was the previous at-bat. We should know better than this. We played like a Triple-A team. This is embarrassing, embarrassing for the team, for the owners, for the fans. Embarrassing. That’s the word for this team. We should know better than this, we should know better than we did on the field. We should know that Ryan Theriot is not a good fastball hitter. We should know that as a team. We should play better here. We stink. That’s all I’ve got to say.”


In case you weren’t watching, Theriot hit a game-tying RBI double in the ninth off Marmol, hitting a slider. Marmol apparently shook off catcher Koyie Hill, who wanted him to throw a fastball.


Paul Sullivan:


"If Zambrano doesn't waive his no-trade clause after this incident, he probably never will."


Koyie Hill

 "I think he's obviously frustrated... I don't think he means the guys in here are Triple-A players, or dogging it."

StrikeZone

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1204 on: June 05, 2011, 07:27:43 pm »
You're right, Koyie.

You have no business being in AAA.

You should be on someone's beer league softball team.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #1205 on: June 05, 2011, 07:32:42 pm »
An Astro comeback and the Cubs would be within ½ game of the worst record in the National League.

Finally something to hope for....

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1206 on: June 05, 2011, 07:42:17 pm »
Zambrano showing up Marmol, basically calling him an idiot.

Unlike Z who is the pitching equivalent of Greg Maddux.

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« Reply #1207 on: June 05, 2011, 07:50:20 pm »
I don't think it was so much pitch selection in the Theriot AB as execution.

Marmol hung that slider and that's the only reason Theriot was able to hit it.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1208 on: June 05, 2011, 08:10:42 pm »
If Colvin doesn't overthrow the cutoff man the whole point might be moot.

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« Reply #1209 on: June 05, 2011, 08:12:27 pm »
With the team in freefall, the last thing we need is Zambrano being a headcase again.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1210 on: June 05, 2011, 08:14:45 pm »
He is the only one on the team with his head not in the sand.  Just saying what everyone is thinking.

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« Reply #1211 on: June 05, 2011, 08:34:45 pm »
I'm sure nobody else on the team realizes they haven't played well.

I'm also certain Zambrano would've selfishly ripped his closer had Dempster been in line for the win.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1212 on: June 05, 2011, 08:39:00 pm »
With the team in freefall, the last thing we need is Zambrano being a headcase again.
He is the only one on the team with his head not in the sand.  Just saying what everyone is thinking.

I agree with Buff.  Would you rather Zambrano said nothing?  The only player on the team who has been a Cub longer than Zambrano is Wood, and Wood had been gone for two years.  If someone on the team is to take the team to task for poor, and stupid play, it should be Zambrano.  That said, hopefully he is upset enough he will be eager to waive that NTC, go to a contender, and let the Cubs have some prospects in the deal.

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« Reply #1213 on: June 05, 2011, 08:52:27 pm »
I'd rather see anyone else speak out about it besides Zambrano.  It just seems like history shows whenever Zambrano opens his mouth, bad things usually follow.

Someone who says things like that in the media needs to be a team leader that people take seriously, and Zambrano by this point in his career has pretty much shown he's anything but that.  All he does is whine, and all this comes across to me and I'm sure to the rest of the team is Big Z whining again.

This is pretty much the last thing anybody needs right now.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2011, 08:59:20 pm by JR »

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« Reply #1214 on: June 05, 2011, 08:59:07 pm »
Guys, we WANT bad things.  We want this season to be the worst in Cub history.  One of the worst seasons in MLB history.  110+ losses.  Fights in the locker room.  Off-field scandals.  Lots of things that hurt the integrity of the brand.

Whatever it takes for major, wholesale changes to be made.