Author Topic: Cubs in '11  (Read 57290 times)

Chris27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18092
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1245 on: June 06, 2011, 11:25:19 am »
Fans letting their frustration and anger of the season cloud what Zambrano did here.

This was a selfish act by a notoriously selfish player. He's a hero because he said the team is playing poorly? Yeah that's quite the newsflash. Again, if it isn't his wins lost by Marmol, he doesn't say anything about the team or throw Marmol under the bus.

Some of you seem to be ignoring what he said about Marmol. That is the ultimate evidence of how this rant was self-centered garbage.






AZSteve

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1655
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1246 on: June 06, 2011, 11:30:39 am »
Remembering that the A's back in 70's having altercations in the clubhouse (Joe Rudi vs Sal Bando??) so from the standpoint of clubhouse turmoil can't see Cubs current situation as unique in part. Z's outburst is an echo of a lot of Cubs fans complaints about this team's lack of making any improvement on the field play,playing smart, managerial moves(or lack thereof).Clearly Z has had his moments of poor pitching,silly-ass temper tantrums,etc. but I think this latest episode is within the bounds of a teammate's reaction to poor play...just sayin' :(

Chris27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18092
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1247 on: June 06, 2011, 11:37:11 am »
Steve, you're right about him echoing a lot of fans' frustrations. That's why they are defending him. But what he did to Marmol had nothing to do with the team's play or season. He called Marmol out with a nonsensical attack because he's bent out of shape that Marmol had blown Zambrano's previous two games in the 9th. The first thing he said was about Marmol. The rest of the rant followed simply as an addendum.

davep

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15849
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1248 on: June 06, 2011, 11:53:36 am »
Since it was Zambrano's win on the line I'm sure in his mind  it magnified the overthrown cutoff man on Theriot's double. Calling that throw a AAA play was being generous. That shouldn't happen in rookie league ball.

And the real problem is not that it happened in that game, but that it has happened over and over again for the past three seasons.

brjones

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 25868
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1249 on: June 06, 2011, 12:05:54 pm »
Brenly comments:

Quote
In an interview on WSCR-AM 670, Brenly said, “Big Z is just expressing what a lot of fans feel, what a lot of us broadcasters feel, and as usual, doesn’t always choose his words properly, doesn’t always choose his forum properly, but I applaud the emotions.

“This has been, once again, another dead-ass team. You’ve got some guys that look like they’re just playing out the string, and we’re only in the first (week) of June here, and we know from past experience that Carlos is not on e of those guys that can sit by idly and keep his mouth shut and just let things continue to spiral downward. He’s going to express his opinion, he’s going to be emotional about it when he does it.

"I don’t view this as a suspendable offense or anything like that. I just think it’s a guy who is frustrated with the way the season has gone, he’s frustrated with the way his teammates have approach their daily business … I’m sure there are times when Carlos is just as guilty as anybody on that roster.

“For me, it’s time. It’s about time that somebody stood up and said ‘Enough is enough. I’m tired of watching this.’”

----

“He said some things that ultimately were meant to be for the good of the ballclub,” Brenly said. “But because of the circumstances, because of the timing, it’s going to come off as selfish once again. ... If Big Z maybe had a chance to calm down a little more, maybe 15-20 minutes after game-time, rather than 10 minutes, who knows? Maybe he would’ve settled down a little bit. But yeah, it’s not the right way to throw your teammate under a bus and divert attention away from the other shortcomings of this ballclub.

“Carlos Marmol has been as good as anybody on this team in his role. To single him out as the guy that cost the team the game is unfair to Marmol. But once again, I think it’s coming basically from a good place with Zambrano. But because of his past record, because of some of the things he said in the past, it’s not going to come off that way, But somebody has got to do it. For God’s sake, this team just can not continue to spiral the way it has been.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-brenly-applauds-zambranos-stance-rips-cubs-as-disinterested-20110606,0,5950695.story

Chris27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18092
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1250 on: June 06, 2011, 12:24:04 pm »
But once again, I think it’s coming basically from a good place with Zambrano.

How on earth can anyone believe that?

buff

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1021
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1251 on: June 06, 2011, 12:26:30 pm »
Amen.  Brenly will probably be fired by the end of the week

Cubsin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1647
  • Location: O'Fallon, IL
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1252 on: June 06, 2011, 12:29:08 pm »
In Brenly's comments, he said "this team just can not continue to spiral [down] the way it has been." He must be an incurable optomist.

brjones

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 25868
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1253 on: June 06, 2011, 12:34:22 pm »
How on earth can anyone believe that?

Well, Brenly also has regular direct one-on-one contact with Zambrano...so he probably has a better idea of Zambrano's intentions than anyone on a Cubs' messageboard.  And it is coming from Brenly, who was obviously not sugar-coating things in that interview.  This isn't Tom Ricketts or Jim Hendry trying to convince us that Zambrano is coming from a good place.

Chris27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18092
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1254 on: June 06, 2011, 12:42:13 pm »
I'm sure Brenly and Zambrano spend lots of time together. They have so much in common.

Anyone who has followed Zambrano's antics for years knows plenty about him. Ask Todd Walker, Michael Barrett or Derrick Lee for starters.

Jes Beard

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17183
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1255 on: June 06, 2011, 12:44:41 pm »
Bruce Miles

Zambrano is right — partially. He's right in saying the Cubs should be embarrassed. He's wrong in saying the Cubs are playing like a Triple-A team. It's more like the Cubs are playing like a first-year expansion team, as they're on a pace to finish this season 65-97.

And they are doing that without anything resembling a coherent rebuilding plan.

Yea, can't write off a season to rebuild.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2011, 12:52:17 pm by Jes Beard »

Jes Beard

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17183
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1256 on: June 06, 2011, 12:51:53 pm »
I just saw the video of Z's comments for the first time.  It seems to be very calculated by him...he never calls anyone out by name or uses a pronoun like "he" or "him"...it's always "we".  I agree with those who are saying that if these comments came from Dempster or Wood or Byrd that the media would be praising them for their leadership and courage to tell it like it is, and they'd point the the "we" language as a major plus.  Here is the video....  The media (except for Bruce Miles) and the Cubs (Hendry in particular) reacted quickly and extremely negatively after the comments.

Was Miles the one who wrote that during his entire comment Zambrano was staring in the direction of Marmol's locker?  Whoever wrote that should be fired.  Seriously.  Zambrano did nothing of the sort on the video, and most of the time appeared be be looking directly at the reporter who asked the question.  Crap like that simply should not be accepted in reporters or columnists.

CurtOne

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27248
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1257 on: June 06, 2011, 12:57:15 pm »
Why is this crap coming from Brenly, Zambrano, Miles or anyone else.  The guy who's losing money out the yazoo, TR, should be the one sounding off.  And Hendry should also be up front, but he's probably too embarrassed to try and justify the mess he's made.

All I hear is crap to cya from Hendry.  Ah, I didn't want to sign Soriano, the Trib made me.  I didn't want to sign Bradley, Lou wanted him.  Ah, I didn't want to trade Lilly instead of getting picks, TR made me.  You know, Jimbo, if you are being micro-managed that much, have the balls to quit.  Sheesh.

Chris27

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18092
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1258 on: June 06, 2011, 01:01:09 pm »
Curt, people in the press may have claimed them, but I don't think Hendry has said any of those things.

Ron

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8430
Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1259 on: June 06, 2011, 01:02:39 pm »
Why is this crap coming from Brenly, Zambrano, Miles or anyone else.  The guy who's losing money out the yazoo, TR, should be the one sounding off.  And Hendry should also be up front, but he's probably too embarrassed to try and justify the mess he's made.

All I hear is crap to cya from Hendry.  Ah, I didn't want to sign Soriano, the Trib made me.  I didn't want to sign Bradley, Lou wanted him.  Ah, I didn't want to trade Lilly instead of getting picks, TR made me.  You know, Jimbo, if you are being micro-managed that much, have the balls to quit.  Sheesh.

Hendry has already commented on Zambrano's statements - he did so right away.  And I've never ever heard Hendry say anything like that other stuff.  There's plenty to criticize Hendry for without making stuff up.