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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1305 on: June 06, 2011, 07:33:14 pm »
Chicago Cubs starting pitcher Carlos Zambrano went ballistic on the team, and particularly teammate Carlos Marmol, after another crushing loss resulted in a St. Louis Cardinals' sweep on Sunday

Is "ballistic" really the word Levine is looking for?  Levine was standing right there...nothing Zambrano did amounted to "going ballistic" on the team or Marmol.  He calmly made some frustrated comments, most of which were indisputably true.  Maybe you don't like how Zambrano handled it, but Levine is really overstating what happened.

Jes Beard

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1306 on: June 06, 2011, 07:33:39 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6629129

The first paragraph reads:  "ST. LOUIS -- Chicago Cubs starting pitcher Carlos Zambrano went ballistic on the team, and particularly teammate Carlos Marmol, after another crushing loss resulted in a St. Louis Cardinals' sweep on Sunday."

Went "ballistic"?

The video showed a perfectly calm Zambrano.  Not happy, but calm.  His comments were anything but "ballistic."

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1307 on: June 06, 2011, 07:35:55 pm »
not ballistic,p-i-s-s-ed to an extreme, nowhere gatorade machine destroying ballistic >:(

Chris27

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1308 on: June 06, 2011, 07:51:49 pm »
To satisfy ijits like you.

Says the guy who has already been corrected today on one easily verifiable fact and could've been on a second if it weren't so tedious talking to you.

bitterman

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1309 on: June 06, 2011, 08:32:51 pm »
Tyler Colvin is batting .088.

He isn't even half the player Koyie Hill is.


Jes Beard

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1310 on: June 06, 2011, 08:50:10 pm »
Chris, I don't know what error you are talking about correcting, but there is a major difference between making mistakes, and being an idiot.

It is idiotic to be upset with Zambrano's comments or to demand an apology.  That is not a mistake about a matter of fact, but is simply idiotic.  What he said was not only reasonable, it was needed.  Chastizing him for it, and demanding an apology for pointing out the team's poor play, which it appears likely Hendry/Quade insisted on, is to essentially bless the poor play and to condemn those who point it out.

Zambrano did not call out any individual, and, as I said earlier, it is even likely the pitch call came from Quade, but criticized the entire team, and by using "We," he included himself in the criticism.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1311 on: June 06, 2011, 09:31:34 pm »
It is idiotic to be upset with Zambrano's comments or to demand an apology.

That is your ironically idiotic opinion. Your description of what actually occurred is also an opinion, one that is also not particularly steeped in reality. In fact, I can't  believe you had the courage to type the sentence Zambrano did not call out any individual though I'm sure you could parse it such a way as to actually convince yourself of it.


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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1312 on: June 06, 2011, 09:50:47 pm »
Chris, the only thing which was even arguably critical of Marmol was Zambrano's criticism of the pitch call.  As I pointed out, Quade earlier in the game had been calling pitches from the dugout, and in one sequence called either two or three consecutive pickoff attempts when Marshall was pitching, and if Quade was not calling the pitches to Theriot, the next most likely person to have called the pitch was Hill, still not Marmol.

You don't like Zambrano.  I don't think that is nothing new, but it might make sense to have your criticism of him grounded in reality.  I believe you were the one who earlier imagined what Zambrano would have done if things had been different.... and then quite seriously criticized him for that.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1313 on: June 06, 2011, 09:54:43 pm »
I'm not a fan of Zambrano, but I could care less about this.  This team blows, we all know it ... who cares.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1314 on: June 06, 2011, 10:06:30 pm »
All that's left for this year is for GM Hendry to send twit pics of his beer gut to a few Northwestern chicks.

Make it so.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1315 on: June 06, 2011, 10:46:09 pm »
the only thing which was even arguably critical of Marmol was Zambrano's criticism of the pitch call.

Arguably? He whined that "we have to be smarter" while talking about the supposed mistake of Marmol throwing a slider on 1-2. Zambrano was selfishly venting because he had his win blown for the second straight time. As for pitch calls, Marmol shook off Hill before the slider so he was obviously calling his own pitches.

You don't like Zambrano.

You don't know what you're talking about which means speaking for others isn't a very good idea.

I believe you were the one who earlier imagined what Zambrano would have done if things had been different.... and then quite seriously criticized him for that.

No, you were wrong about that too which I pointed out at the time.

That's at least four things you have gotten wrong, plus assertions such as Zambrano didn't personally call anyone out. Quite a day's work.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2011, 10:47:58 pm by Chris27 »

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1316 on: June 07, 2011, 08:37:31 am »
All that's left for this year is for GM Hendry to send twit pics of his beer gut to a few Northwestern chicks.

Make it so.

If he did, TR would just claim Jimbo's gut was injured and everything would be just fine.

Jes Beard

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1317 on: June 07, 2011, 03:23:31 pm »

I believe you were the one who earlier imagined what Zambrano would have done if things had been different.... and then quite seriously criticized him for that.

No, you were wrong about that too which I pointed out at the time.

Chris, here is the post of yours about which you say I was wrong --

Again, if it isn't his wins lost by Marmol, he doesn't say anything about the team or throw Marmol under the bus.

So you are right that you did not criticize Zambrano for what you imagined him to have done, but you DID base your criticism in part on what you imagined he would NOT have done.  Distinction without much of a difference.

You don't like Zambrano.

You don't know what you're talking about which means speaking for others isn't a very good idea.

Regardless how good or bad an idea it might be, I notice you do not deny what I wrote.... which would be kind of hard, considering....

This was a selfish act by a notoriously selfish player.

Anyone who has followed Zambrano's antics for years knows plenty about him.

That's pathetic and indicative of a selfish person.

This is nothing more than Zambrano selfishly complaining because he had another personal victory taken away.  And it's not close to the first time he has put himself ahead of his teammates.


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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1318 on: June 07, 2011, 03:36:30 pm »
but you DID base your criticism in part on what you imagined he would NOT have done.

Incorrect yet again. As I've said three times now, I criticized him for what he did. Period. If you think it was a coincidence that Zambrano personally slammed Marmol after Marmol had just blown a second straight win for him, I've got property in the Caymans to sell to you.

I notice you do not deny what I wrote....

Making it clear that you don't know what you're talking about constitutes denial of your assertions.

And if you think that calling Zambrano selfish, something he has shown himself to be repeatedly, is proof of hatred then Carlos must have millions of haters out there.

Your attempt at giving me an agenda in order to explain my opinion failed.

« Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 03:38:21 pm by Chris27 »

brjones

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #1319 on: June 07, 2011, 03:58:02 pm »
It's a moot point since his option would vest if traded...but Ramirez will not waive his no trade clause:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/07/agent-says-aramis-ramirez-wont-waive-no-trade-clause-to-leave-cubs/