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AZSteve

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #570 on: May 17, 2011, 11:59:30 am »
Hill? I'd be happy to see that guy doing color commentary on MLBN ,ESPN, or CSN not as backup to Soto

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« Reply #571 on: May 17, 2011, 12:00:26 pm »
In this, the 103rd year of our rebuilding process, here's something to put things in perspective:

http://www.theheckler.com/2011/05/16/chicago-cubs-fans-the-infographic/

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« Reply #572 on: May 17, 2011, 12:04:01 pm »
LOL

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« Reply #573 on: May 17, 2011, 12:06:58 pm »
Colvin's spot on the roster will be filled by Iowa outfielder Tony Campana, who was hitting .342 with eight stolen bases.

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« Reply #574 on: May 17, 2011, 12:07:30 pm »
In this, the 103rd year of our rebuilding process...

Except that there have been relatively few years of actual "rebuilding" when the moves made sense as ground up rebuilding efforts.  Lots of misguided remodeling, but not much rebuilding.

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« Reply #575 on: May 17, 2011, 12:21:31 pm »
Let's face facts. This is a lost year so let's play guys that might help usnin the future.

Sounds like we have a convert.... though I concluded back in November that the 2011 season was lost.  A true, serious rebuild requires a team to pay little to any attention to its W/L record for two years.  Starting that now is better than nothing, but it would have been better to start late last year.

He's hitting .223/.257/.323 in 266 career plate appearances.  Koyie Hill's career line?  .212/.275/.305.  The OPSes are identical, but Hill's is slightly better because OBP is the more important part of OPS.

I'm sorry, but I see six different figures in those two hitting lines, with none of them being identical (similar, but not identical).  Am I mis-reading, was there a typo in entering the lines, or is this using "identical" to mean, "close"?

Colvin... never did anything in the minors to show that he could do what he did last year.

But he did last year show what he could do last year.  Those were real numbers.  He may never repeat them, but those were not numbers simply drawn out of a hat.

If I had control of the Cubs for 1hour here is what I would Do.
Trade / release: Soriano, Rameriz & Byrd [ the juice has been squeezed out].
They won’t be back next year anyway, so do it now.[ except for Soriano who has nothing left
And is killing the team.
Bring up the best available kids & let them play.
Hill & Fukudome would be on a short leash.

Sounds like another full rebuild convert!!!!

The Cubs keep playing as they have been, and perhaps Rickets will climb on board.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #576 on: May 17, 2011, 12:39:37 pm »
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I'm sorry, but I see six different figures in those two hitting lines, with none of them being identical (similar, but not identical).  Am I mis-reading, was there a typo in entering the lines, or is this using "identical" to mean, "close"?

Are you going to now contend that 257+323 does not sum to the same number as 275+305?

Do we get another Jes math lecture?

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« Reply #577 on: May 17, 2011, 01:38:15 pm »
One thing adding Campana does do is it allows Quade to give Byrd a day off or two in the near future.  He obviously doesn't trust Reed, Kosuke or Colvin in CF or else he would have already used one of them to spell Byrd.

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« Reply #578 on: May 17, 2011, 02:00:43 pm »

Are you going to now contend that 257+323 does not sum to the same number as 275+305?   Do we get another Jes math lecture?

Nope, you get an admission of VERY lazy review of the hitting line.  I always use BA/OBP/OPS.  Obviously the numbers here were BA/OBP/Slugging.  I didn't even bother to look at the 3rd set of numbers in either line closely enough to see that it was Slugging and assumed that it was OPS, while also not looking closely enough to see that the numbers were far to low to possibly have been OPS.  I simply saw two hitting lines with different numbers in each slot and didn't bother to think about it any further.

So when I asked, "Am I mis-reading, was there a typo in entering the lines, or is this using 'identical' to mean, 'close'?" the obvious answer is that I was mis-reading.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #579 on: May 17, 2011, 02:13:50 pm »
Actually br's probably not going to like this, but if Campana doesn't get overwhelmed at the plate, I bet his place on the roster will be pretty safe the rest of the year.  In Quade's mind, he probably thinks he's been playing without a backup centerfielder all season, and he's also mentioned that we've really lacked speed on this team. 

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« Reply #580 on: May 17, 2011, 02:40:02 pm »
Paul Sullivan

(Steve) Stone "congratulates" Hendry on WSCR: "After 20 years in the major leagues, he has figured out that young kids need to get at-bats."

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #581 on: May 17, 2011, 02:45:57 pm »
Campana will be fun to watch. He really gets down the line fast...

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« Reply #582 on: May 17, 2011, 03:03:46 pm »
Stolen from another board.  Thought it was an interesting response to "the division was ours for the taking."

How do you figure the division was there for the taking?  Would Ryno or Bobby Valentine be able to teach Ramirez to hit HR's again?  Or how about teaching Pena not to strikeout...

This is a bad baseball team with aging veterans past their prime (Z, Demp, Wood, Kosuke, Byrd, Ramirez, Soriano) and younger players who will be serviceable but never great (Barney, Soto, Colvin, Marshall)

The Reds are going to win this division by 10 games and win 95 games.  It was NEVER there for the taking with this roster.

Hiring Quade was nothing more than a version of the four corners offense.  Let the contracts expire, let Pujols and Carpenter age, let the Reds be forced to break up the roster.

2013 is the next window for the Cubs.  Clean slate for payroll (minus fonzi) and a weakening division.

Just relax and pretend we're the New York Mets.  Our owners have no money, fans aren't coming, and the other teams in town are more entertaining to follow.

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Re: Cubs in '11
« Reply #583 on: May 17, 2011, 03:04:02 pm »
Love this line:

Hiring Quade was nothing more than a version of the four corners offense.

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« Reply #584 on: May 17, 2011, 03:06:00 pm »
I think that sums things up pretty well.

I hope Soto will be more than just a serviceable vet and will play in a few all-star games before he's through, but he's going to have to learn how to stay on the field eventually and quit being so damn inconsistent.