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CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2013, 08:58:59 pm »


His K/9 is 6.5, he's lost 1 mph of his fastball, and he's out performing his DIP'S.  He may doing better this year, but he isn't tearing it up either.


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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2013, 09:06:20 pm »
I'd certainly say I'd still do the trade.  One not so small part is we do have Rizzo under a favorable long term contract.

And BTW Rizzo is ahead of Cashner in WAR this year 1.7 to 0.9. 


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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2013, 10:06:42 pm »
Rizzo is 15th among 27 eligible 1B in OPS, and he has a WAR of 1.7.  That should tell you all you need to know about WAR.

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2013, 10:53:40 pm »
For one thing, it tells us that WAR looks at more than just offense, unlike Deeg.

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2013, 11:54:34 pm »
Rizzo is batting around .240 w an obp of under .330. Hoe exactly do those stats indicate a clear grand slam in favor of the cubs in the trade?

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2013, 11:58:53 pm »
the main idea of my post was questioning when is it okay to start criticizing this management group because right now this team is garbage

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 12:06:36 am »
It's A-ok to criticize our mgmt group, bitterman...this team is frustrating and this is an opinion board. 

Just don't throw in the towel...they're doing things the right way for the long term...my opinion.

CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 12:11:22 am »
Rizzo is batting around .240 w an obp of under .330. Hoe exactly do those stats indicate a clear grand slam in favor of the cubs in the trade?

Because Cashner is an injury prone pitcher, losing velocity on his fastball and striking out 6.55K/9.  His WAR (f&r) has him as the 4th or 5th best starter on the Cubs rotation.  Rizzo is right now in his second slump of the year and his providing middle of the pack 1B offense, 13th in fWAR in MLB 1B.  Cashner will be lucky to even reach that mediocrity.

Perfectly ok to slam slam them on not trading Garza, Concepion (even though it was a small amount of money), not getting Darvish, Cespedes, Puig.
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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2013, 01:32:21 am »
For one thing, it tells us that WAR looks at more than just offense, unlike Deeg.

To thine own deckhand be true.

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2013, 08:53:32 am »
Why Starlin Castro didn't appreciate Shane Robinson's slide



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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 09:16:21 am »
From John Perrotto on Baseball Prospectus:

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Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer insists that his team will not release reliever Carlos Marmol, regardless of how poorly the former closer keeps performing. However, after Marmol blew another save Sunday against the Mets while filling in for closer Kevin Gregg, who was rested after pitching in four straight games, his teammates had had enough. Even left fielder Alfonso Soriano took a shot at Marmol while talking to the Chicago Tribune after the 4-3 loss in which his close friend gave four runs in the ninth inning.

“When Alfonso Soriano says something bad about someone, you better sit up and take notice because you won’t find a better teammate than Sori,” a Cubs insider said. “I think Jed and Theo (Epstein) and ownership need to rethink their position. No one in that clubhouse has one bit of confidence in Marmol anymore, and his trade value is zero. Would you want him pitching for your team in a pennant race? The Cubs need to release him, eat the money, and realize that sometimes there is addition by subtraction.”

Marmol is making $9.8 million this season in the final season of a three-year, $20-million contract. The Cubs would be on the hook for a little over $5.25 million if they were to release him now.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20978

JR

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2013, 09:27:01 am »
Why Starlin Castro didn't appreciate Shane Robinson's slide




I have to admit, I think Sveum and the Cubs should have had Castro's back more than they did. 

As far as Sveum saying he wishes his players would play that way, well . . . .

1.  His players don't play that way, so if nothing else, we have another example of him not really effecting much change in how the Cubs play.

2.  I'm not sure how much I want to see Cub players going 3 feet outside the bag with their cleats up like that anyway.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 09:30:54 am by JR »

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2013, 09:41:13 am »
I have that game on tivo, and have watched the play in slow motion several times since I saw the picture above.

That picture is a great example of how misleading a picture can be.  Just looking at the still above, it appears that the runner came into Castro with his spikes high enough to do substantial damage.  But looking at the entire play, the runner (who was clearly out of the baseline, but that is a different issue) came at Castro with his leg out in an attempt to trip him, with his toe extended outwards.  The top of his tow slipped under Castro's legs as he jumped, and after passing Castro, he turned his foot around so the spikes were extending outwards.

The above picture is taken AFTER his foot had passed under Castro's legs, and could not have possibly have spiked him.  It was NOT a deliberate (or even accidental) attempt to spike the shortstop.  His cleats were NOT up as he made contact with Castro (and he DID make contact with Castro).

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2013, 09:51:39 am »
I don't consider that a dirty play.  Just a desperate effort to avoid a game ending DP.

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Re: Cubs in '13
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2013, 11:20:46 am »
Kind of interesting take on the slide from Dave McKay.  Like everyone else with the Cubs, he didn't have a problem with it, and he talked about trying to instill that mentality with the Cubs.

He even brought up the infamous Matt Holliday slide from a couple of years ago.

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McKay has used Matt Holliday as an example while teaching the Cubs. Holliday made a game-changing play here in July 2011, taking out Castro with a hard slide on a potential double-play ball. The Cardinals didn’t clinch a playoff spot until the final day of the regular season, making a surprise run to a World Series title.

“I think I created a monster in Holliday,” McKay said. “That’s what I like the players to do: At the end of the season, I want you to think back to the three or four games that we won because of you. I want you to be able to say: ‘Because I did this, we won this game.’

“And then when you win on the last day of the season and go on and win a world championship, you feel pretty good about yourself."

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs-talk/mckay-wants-cubs-play-same-edge-cardinals