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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #105 on: October 29, 2017, 03:07:02 pm »
I assume it's some kind of reference to heading south for the winter, but the wording is pretty ROFL.

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« Reply #106 on: October 29, 2017, 04:12:17 pm »
So bench coach, hitting coach, and pitching coach, probably the top 3 sub-manager coaching positions, yes?
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« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2017, 05:09:00 pm »
On most staffs yes.

I think Borzello and Hyde have more importance than what their titles are. I think Butterfield will too.

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« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2017, 10:36:18 pm »
I was reading Cameron’s chat on Fangraphs and he seems to think that the Cubs are going to make an attempt to get Archer from the Rays and use Russell as trade bait. He doesn’t think that Schwarber and Happ combined would have the value to get it done. He also thinks that Happ would bring back a pitcher better than Folty from the Braves.

I’d be kinda conflicted on Archer for Russell +. They both have some risk, but it would give the Cubs a really cost controlled rotation. While I think Russell is better than Baez, the drop off isn’t huge and Happ/Zobrist/LaStella could handle second.

Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #109 on: October 29, 2017, 11:32:30 pm »
Depends on what the + is.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #110 on: October 30, 2017, 10:06:14 am »
Mark Gonzalez in the Tribune:  First base coach Brandon Hyde could transition to become the bench coach, a position he held under Edwin Rodriguez and Jack McKeon with the Marlins in 2010-11.

Mark Gonzalez again:
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If Hyde moves to the bench, a potential replacement at first base is Doug Dascenzo, the Cubs' minor-league outfield and base-running coordinator who was an outfielder for the team from 1988-92. Dascenzo, 53, was hired as first-base coach in the 2014-15 offseason before Maddon arrived and Hyde reassigned from bench coach to first base.


Dascenzo also pitched a little bit.

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« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2017, 10:45:54 am »
Depends on what the + is.

I can't see them doing a 1:1, but I also can't see the + being really great either.

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« Reply #112 on: October 30, 2017, 10:50:58 am »
There is no way the Rays would do that.

They are really high on Willy Adames, and they would want a bounty of A level studs for Archer.  Trading for a Super 2 eligible SS doesnt really help them that much.
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« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2017, 11:40:35 am »
Russell wouldn't give them any additional team control.  And if he broke out, it's not even clear he'd give them cost savings beyond 2018.  I don't see why the Rays would do that--I think they benefit more from just holding on to their best pitcher.
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Deeg

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« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2017, 12:42:14 pm »
I don't think the Cubs have the guns to deal for a pitcher of Archer's caliber anymore.  If they acquire SP via trade it's going to be high-ceiling guys with lots of warts (like Arrieta was).

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« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2017, 01:14:52 pm »
There is no way the Rays would do that.

They are really high on Willy Adames, and they would want a bounty of A level studs for Archer.  Trading for a Super 2 eligible SS doesnt really help them that much.

I could see trading Archer for somebody like Russell if they don't want to rebuild and they think that they have the young pitching to replace him.  Long shot sure and I'm not 100% convinced the Cubs would do it either.

I just looked up Adames and he is 1 year and 8 months younger than Russell.

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« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2017, 01:19:05 pm »
Rays are looking to move to Hillsborough County.
 
Last week Hillsborough announced they have secured the land needed for a new stadium in Ybor City area of town. There is still about 300 million in gap financing that is missing and it will likely go to the polls to determine if the tax payers want to approve that type of expense. (link - http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/10/24/hillsborough_busines.html )

I would be shocked if they somehow decided to short circuit a fairly lengthy rebuild here and ship off their biggest trade chip for anything short of what the Sox got for Q. Some believe that Archer is worth a Sale type return... and i'd wager that is what the Rays are going to be looking to get. 2-3 high Ceiling high floor class A level players.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2017, 02:56:51 pm »
Rays are looking to move to Hillsborough County.
 
Last week Hillsborough announced they have secured the land needed for a new stadium in Ybor City area of town. There is still about 300 million in gap financing that is missing and it will likely go to the polls to determine if the tax payers want to approve that type of expense. (link - http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/10/24/hillsborough_busines.html )

I would be shocked if they somehow decided to short circuit a fairly lengthy rebuild here and ship off their biggest trade chip for anything short of what the Sox got for Q. Some believe that Archer is worth a Sale type return... and i'd wager that is what the Rays are going to be looking to get. 2-3 high Ceiling high floor class A level players.

Might be a bad time to do a full rebuild, but a retooling they might be able to sell to the public.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2017, 03:16:59 pm »
I think most fans here in Tampa are aware they are "re-tooling" as we speak, have been doing so since the David Price trade.  Its probably another 1-2 years before they are in a good spot.

On local sports radio its basically a forgone conclusion that they are retooling for a new stadium in Tampa, or for a new stadium outside this area entirely. No one be-grudges the Rays on any of this... esp considering the state of the trop, and potential for increase in taxes for a new stadium.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #119 on: October 30, 2017, 03:46:16 pm »
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two              13    9      23   173  188   3.31    1.19