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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #180 on: November 03, 2017, 07:43:38 pm »
What would a Cubs-Rays trade involving Brent Honeywell look like?

Pipe dream?

Most likely, the Rays don’t trade guys when they are cheap. I’ve wonder what Happ is worth in a trade and so far from various chats people seem to think he’s worth a lot. The most recent question was Happ for Teheran and the chatter through the was worth more. I wonder how much the Cubs are interested in a guy with little experience for the rotation too.

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« Reply #181 on: November 03, 2017, 07:50:04 pm »
What a coincidence.

It has nothing to do with anything but facts.

Japanese pitchers are usually ragged out before they even get here and Tanaka or Darvish havent done anything to prove me wrong.

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« Reply #182 on: November 03, 2017, 08:08:56 pm »
Darvish is 18th out of 277 qualified starters in fWAR since he started his career in 2012 (between Arrieta at 17th and Samardzija at 19th).  He's 50th out of 277 in innings pitched. 

Tanaka is 22nd out of 177 qualified starters in fWAR since he joined the Yankees in 2014 (between Hamels and Hendricks).  He's 39th in innings pitched.

There are good reasons to want to avoid them at this point in their careers--Tanaka's elbow is questionable, and Darvish is going to get paid like a surefire ace when he's really more of a #2 at this point.  But they've earned more than what they've been paid since coming to MLB. 

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« Reply #183 on: November 03, 2017, 08:15:20 pm »
I just now looked at the free agent starting pitchers in this class and Ill stand by my stance.

If Arietta and Darvish are the headliners I think we're all in agreement that we want to stay away from Boras and Arietta and I dont want to pay Darvish what he's gonna expect with him only being 2 years removed from TJS.

Sign the second tier starter that you like best and then maybe a lottery ticket SP for insurance and spend the rest on the pen.

I bet we're looking more at the trade market.

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« Reply #184 on: November 05, 2017, 10:34:44 am »
Didnt want Tanaka.

Dont want Darvish either.

Ill take Arietta over both of them and Im not 100% certain I want him back.

The chance of keeping Arrieta just fell with Tanaka's decision, and will fall even more if Darvish enter the FA market.  With both of them off the market, Arrieta's price would rise considerably, and the Cubs' effort to resign him will correspondingly fall with his increased contract demands.

In other words, if you really want the Cubs to keep Arrieta, it is much better if Darvish and Tanaka were both entering free agency.

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« Reply #185 on: November 05, 2017, 05:13:04 pm »
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Hearing Rays are likely to make a qualifying offer to Alex Cobb. Not surprising after strong season (179 IP, 3.66) 1st full yr post-surgery.

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« Reply #186 on: November 05, 2017, 05:47:55 pm »
So that would mean the Cubs would lose their second round pick and $500,000 of IFA money to sign him, but if his contract is less than $50 million ion guareented money vale the Rays get nothing.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #188 on: November 06, 2017, 12:55:15 pm »
How many here subscribe to The Athletic?

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« Reply #189 on: November 06, 2017, 01:39:17 pm »
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« Reply #190 on: November 06, 2017, 01:56:22 pm »
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #191 on: November 06, 2017, 04:11:56 pm »
Cubs added Carasiti, claimed Cory Mazzoni from the Padres and outrighted Martin.

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« Reply #192 on: November 06, 2017, 05:01:48 pm »

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Just these nine players received QOs. Confirmed.

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QO list expected to include these nine players: Arrieta, Cain, Cobb, Davis, Holland, Hosmer, Lynn, Moustakas, Santana.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #193 on: November 06, 2017, 05:07:42 pm »
So based on the new CBA, what is the impact to the Cubs if (when) Arrieta and Davis sign somewhere else?

And what happens if the Cubs sign Cobb (or Cain...I guess there's an outside chance they could be interested in him)?

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« Reply #194 on: November 06, 2017, 05:19:39 pm »
So based on the new CBA, what is the impact to the Cubs if (when) Arrieta and Davis sign somewhere else?

And what happens if the Cubs sign Cobb (or Cain...I guess there's an outside chance they could be interested in him)?

I thought I read that Cain is retiring?