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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #240 on: November 07, 2017, 06:42:52 pm »
Heyman tweeted that Lackey is not retiring and plans to pitch next year.  Hopefully it's for someone other than the Cubs.
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« Reply #241 on: November 07, 2017, 07:26:18 pm »
If my math and Cot’s contracts is correct Samardizja and Melancon are owed $107.4 through 2020 and Hayward is owed $135.1667 through 2023 because the Giants backloaded their contracts and Hayward’s was frontloaded.

The neat feature is that for luxury tax purposes Samardizja and Melancon are worth $33 million/year and Heywad is $23 million.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #242 on: November 08, 2017, 09:40:36 am »
I wonder how many Cub fans are out there who will be shocked when Arrieta signs with someone else.   

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« Reply #243 on: November 08, 2017, 10:08:13 am »
I wonder how many Cub fans are out there who will be shocked when Arrieta signs with someone else.   

What? Do you really think he would do that?  Say it ain't so, Jake!

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« Reply #244 on: November 08, 2017, 10:16:01 am »
If my math and Cot’s contracts is correct Samardizja and Melancon are owed $107.4 through 2020 and Hayward is owed $135.1667 through 2023 because the Giants backloaded their contracts and Hayward’s was frontloaded.

The neat feature is that for luxury tax purposes Samardizja and Melancon are worth $33 million/year and Heywad is $23 million.

How is that "neat"? 
For us, that lux-wise, we'd be getting a rotation guy (and if healthy perhaps a pen piece) for "only" $10 hit in lux?  Whereas if we sign a FA rotation guy plus a pen guy, while keeping Heyward, the lux-increase would be much, much, much higher than $10? 

And perhaps also a motivation for them, that they would knock $10 off, and free up lux space for buying other assets? 

Interesting that a salary exchange like that would save the Cubs <$30M longterm ($107 vs $135).  But would clear Heyward's commitments off from when Bryant etc. are free agents.  An extra $23/year might be kinda welcome during the 20's. 

Melancon was to have pronator-syndrome surgery.  Suggested 2-3 month recovery, so theoretically could be fully recovered for next season.    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/breaking-giants-mark-melancon-to-undergo-surgery-for-rare-muscular-syndrome/ 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #245 on: November 08, 2017, 10:50:15 am »
How is that "neat"? 
For us, that lux-wise, we'd be getting a rotation guy (and if healthy perhaps a pen piece) for "only" $10 hit in lux?  Whereas if we sign a FA rotation guy plus a pen guy, while keeping Heyward, the lux-increase would be much, much, much higher than $10? 

And perhaps also a motivation for them, that they would knock $10 off, and free up lux space for buying other assets? 

Interesting that a salary exchange like that would save the Cubs <$30M longterm ($107 vs $135).  But would clear Heyward's commitments off from when Bryant etc. are free agents.  An extra $23/year might be kinda welcome during the 20's. 

Melancon was to have pronator-syndrome surgery.  Suggested 2-3 month recovery, so theoretically could be fully recovered for next season.    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/breaking-giants-mark-melancon-to-undergo-surgery-for-rare-muscular-syndrome/ 

You wouldn't have to replace Heyward externally.  Happ and Zobrist could take over RF, so no increase in pay roll for RF.  So they Cubs would essentially be getting a relief pitcher and starter for $10 million a year, which you might be able to get 1 relief pitcher for a little less than that.  If you keep Heyward the cost is $23+ SP + RP, which will be much more than

The other neat thing is getting rid of the extra years allows the Cubs to clear payroll when Russell and Bryant will be entering their last year of arbitration.  I get the appeal for the Cubs, but I'm not sure why the Giants would want to do it unless they really hate Melancon.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #246 on: November 08, 2017, 11:36:59 am »
There's no chance the Giants are remotely interested in any iteration of this.  It's a non-story.

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« Reply #247 on: November 08, 2017, 11:40:32 am »
Giants beat writers are now tweeting that this rumor is nonsense. 

Keep in mind it originated with Phil Rogers.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #248 on: November 08, 2017, 11:48:09 am »
I heard Bumgardner is a throw-in.

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« Reply #249 on: November 08, 2017, 11:51:47 am »
The trade would be a -1 for the Giants.  No way in hell they do that.
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« Reply #250 on: November 08, 2017, 12:00:53 pm »
The best part of this Heyward to the Giants story is Roger's follow up tweet:


One additional motivation to deal Heyward: Would improve @Cubs position in recruiting Shohei Ohtani. He and Heyward both hit left-handed.

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« Reply #251 on: November 08, 2017, 12:31:16 pm »
True dat

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« Reply #252 on: November 08, 2017, 12:39:15 pm »
Trading Hendricks should also help recruit Otani, in that case.

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« Reply #253 on: November 08, 2017, 12:57:52 pm »
I wonder how many Cub fans are out there who will be shocked when Arrieta signs with someone else.   

Personally, I will be shocked if Arrieta does NOT sign with someone else.  I would like to keep him, but I doubt that the Cubs will give either the dollars or years it will probably take.

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« Reply #254 on: November 08, 2017, 04:13:01 pm »
Personally, I will be shocked if Arrieta does NOT sign with someone else.  I would like to keep him, but I doubt that the Cubs will give either the dollars or years it will probably take.
That's what we've been saying.  Idiot.