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craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #285 on: November 10, 2017, 12:48:43 pm »
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/cubstalk-podcast-jed-hoyer-how-handle-offseason-trade-rumors-heyward-lackey

Hoyer podcast.  Very laid back, no sense of urgency, and not many hints of agenda. 

Did specify they'd like to get the bullpen to throw more strikes.  Talked about relievers emerging.  FA market is relatively deep for relievers but otherwise not as a whole.

Emphasized that they've already won WS, and want to consider 2019 and 2020 as well as 2018.  Gave the sense there isn't urgency for this year.   

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #286 on: November 10, 2017, 12:57:19 pm »
There's always the opportunity to pull something off midseason if the Cubs appear to be a move or two away from getting over the hump.

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« Reply #287 on: November 10, 2017, 01:32:29 pm »
There's always the opportunity to pull something off midseason if the Cubs appear to be a move or two away from getting over the hump.

That's the approach that cost us Torrez, Jimenez and Cease.  Not saying you don't do it when you have to, but there are drawbacks to relying on that.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #288 on: November 10, 2017, 01:37:34 pm »
There's always the opportunity to pull something off midseason if the Cubs appear to be a move or two away from getting over the hump.
That's the approach that cost us Torrez, Jimenez and Cease.  Not saying you don't do it when you have to, but there are drawbacks to relying on that.
I was thinking along the same lines as Deeg.  Too often the midseason trades are much more costly.  As teams are sorting out their rosters and seeing where they need to fill holes from day one during December often allows them to consider trades they wouldn't think about midseason.  Just think about the return we could have gotten on Schwarber last winter.  It's still a business and if the hometown team can make a trade to keep the faithful hopeful and excited about the coming season, winter is the time to do it.  JMO

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #289 on: November 10, 2017, 02:20:00 pm »
Of course, there's unpredictability in the way your opening day roster will perform.  Some players will undoubtedly step it up unexpectedly whereas others will under perform.  In addition to strengthening the roster overall, it's also important to strategically add pieces that you need.  Not all needs are going to be evident during the offseason.

craig

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« Reply #290 on: November 10, 2017, 02:43:25 pm »
Also will need some huge breakout summers for the very thin, very young minor-league system.  They've already moved Torres, Jiminez, and Cease, as well as Soler, Vogelbach, Candelario, and Paredes over a 13-month period.  Not much firepower left, for the moment, at least so it seems today. 

But who knows, maybe by July a bunch from within Ademan, Alzolay, Albertos, Wilson, Little, Lange, de la Cruz, and Velasquez will be exploding and looking like tradable pieces? 
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #291 on: November 10, 2017, 02:49:10 pm »
Alex Cobb is at least saying he'll prioritize winning over money:

https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/929084092129439747

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #292 on: November 10, 2017, 04:27:47 pm »
I'll be almost shocked if the Cubs don't sign Cobb after listening to him talk about Maddon and Hickey. 

https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/929094837097418753

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #293 on: November 10, 2017, 04:35:01 pm »
I'm actually more worried about what, in desperation, the Cardinals may do than what the Cubs do. 

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #294 on: November 10, 2017, 05:19:18 pm »
Sounds like a classy guy that it would be easy to like. 

Whether he'd pitch well, or sign for a fair price, beats me!  :) 

Yeah, easy to envision signing a guy like that as 4th guy; signing some guys for relief; and kind of improvising/winging it for 5th guy. 

For 5th I could easily envision "taking a shot" on somebody or two.  If it works, great.  If not, there's Montgomery as an option, and it's always possible to snag  Dan Haren-type guy, or Turner like we had this year, or go with Tseng or whomever. 

We also know that lots of good relievers were starters once.  Could envision perhaps signing a couple of guys to compete for 5th starter, and if you're lucky maybe you'd get decent work for 5th plus have other end up being very effective for you in relief? 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #295 on: November 10, 2017, 05:25:21 pm »
So Cobb talks like he wants to join the Cubs, and has also said money isn't the biggest factor for him.  I read something somewhere today (Bleacher Nation?) that said Hickey had a similar response when he was asked if he'd like Cobb to join the Cubs.  We've heard Cobb's names in rumors the last few offseasons and trade deadlines too, so it seems obvious that the front office likes him.  So it seems like there is a lot of interest from all directions.

It really seems like Cobb will be a Cub as long as they make a competitive offer and no one else offers him a blow away deal that he just can't turn down.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #296 on: November 10, 2017, 05:26:43 pm »
Think Cubs may need to be willing to sign some "take-a-shot", but also be willing to cut some salaries, rather than just carrying a bad pitcher because you took a shot and lost. 

Also think signing some "take-a-shot" starters with the full willingness/expectation that one (or two) might shift to pen might be a good thing.  That might, hypothetically, support an adjustment in Cubs bullpen use. 

To date, Maddon has been a committed quick-switch short-usage guy.  He does NOT like to have his righties pitch to lefties.  And most of his guys have been short-relief.  Rondon, Strop, Edwards, not sure how often any of those three have pitched two full back-to-back innings.  Or Duensing either. 

Think it's hard to use starters as "go through the lineup twice" guys, then be willing to pull them out pretty quickly after that.  If Monty is the only non-short man you've got in pen, and especially if you're going to habitually go ROOGY/LOOGY and do mid-inning switches frequently when an opposite-hand hitter comes up. 

So I'd be interested in perhaps having some ex-starters who'd be very comfortable going 2-3 innings.  And having Maddon/Hickey perhaps consider switching guys less quickly. You're going to lose some games, I get that.  But maybe letting other relievers pitch full innings, or even two innings, more frequently, even if it involves facing some oppo hitters.  But then having guys appear less frequently, and perhaps end up more well rested come October. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #297 on: November 10, 2017, 06:49:13 pm »
I'll be almost shocked if the Cubs don't sign Cobb after listening to him talk about Maddon and Hickey. 

https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/929094837097418753


Yeah,wow. Listening to that, if the Cubs want him, it seems awfully likely they will get him.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #298 on: November 10, 2017, 08:44:18 pm »
Yeah,wow. Listening to that, if the Cubs want him, it seems awfully likely they will get him.

Yeah, I would almost bet on him ending up with the Cubs, but looking at his use in 2013 and 2014 under Madden, why did he only pitch in 22 games in 2013 and 27 in 2014?

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #299 on: November 10, 2017, 08:51:31 pm »
Yeah,wow. Listening to that, if the Cubs want him, it seems awfully likely they will get him.

Heh heh, I still can't quite get used to guys WANTING to sign with the Cubs!  And especially on the grounds that they are safe/certain to be consistent contenders.