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craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #555 on: December 06, 2017, 03:06:27 pm »
Weird.  I think he'd be crazy to rush a decision that's going to control the next 6 years without even visiting the city, or the stadium and facilities where you'll be spending so much of your life.  Likewise kind of a bummer for the Cubs, since they invested a bunch in their fancy clubhouse, you'd think they'd like to use that as a show-off thing. 

Also think going through the whole "face-to-face" interview bit, if you're doing 3-a-day on those, how much time or concentration can you really have for a decision that's going to say shape your life and habits and relationships for so long. 

But, maybe I'm way off, and sitting in an interview/visit with guys speaking a language you don't understand really isn't much fun and is just a worthless drag/exhaustion, who knows. 

Theo's ability to articulate thoughtful and nuanced ideas is part of what makes him so successful.  I wonder if those qualities are kind of lost if you're talking to a guy who doesn't know English that well?  If it's all going through a translater anyway, does the translated version differentiate between a source speaker like Theo versus somebody like Hendry or Fleita? 

I also wonder to what degree Maddon is/was involved, if the whole "face-to-face" meeting was limited to 2-3 hours?  And if he's an asset or not?  My understanding is that Asian baseball culture is pretty serious and practice-heavy, with managers who can be relatively drill-sergeant authoritarian?  Part of Maddon's thing is being fun and cool, laid-back, don't have rules or manager-meetings, dress casual, don't practice too much, wear funny pajamas and stuff.  Wonder if that would appeal to Otani, or seem too loose?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #556 on: December 06, 2017, 05:18:40 pm »
Weird.  I think he'd be crazy to rush a decision that's going to control the next 6 years without even visiting the city, or the stadium and facilities where you'll be spending so much of your life.  Likewise kind of a bummer for the Cubs, since they invested a bunch in their fancy clubhouse, you'd think they'd like to use that as a show-off thing. 

Carrie Muskat reported that Ohtani is at least familiar with the impressive Cubs' spring training facility.

"Ohtani got an up-close look at the Cubs' Spring Training facility in Mesa, Ariz., last year while doing rehab work in February, according to the Kyodo News. The Cubs' state-of-the-art complex opened in 2014 and includes a 7,500-square-foot workout and training facility. The Fighters have held the first phase of Spring Training at the Padres' complex in Peoria, Ariz., the past few years."

http://m.cubs.mlb.com/news/article/262901260/cubs-make-pitch-to-shohei-ohtani/

brjones

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #557 on: December 06, 2017, 08:05:18 pm »
Jon Morosi‏ @jonmorosi
Source: One @MLB team in pursuit of Shohei Ohtani is on the verge of acquiring international slot money from #Twins in a trade tonight. @MLBNetwork


I think this is potentially bad news. No matter how much international slot money they have, the Cubs can't spend any more than $300K, right?  And the top Braves free agents seem to be off the market.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #558 on: December 06, 2017, 08:06:24 pm »
Mark Feinsand‏ @Feinsand
Source: The Mariners are finalizing a trade with the Twins tonight to acquire more international bonus pool money. #ohtani

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #559 on: December 06, 2017, 08:13:16 pm »
Mariners acquired $1 million in international money.

Now Morosi is reporting another Ohtani contender is trying to acquire slot money.  This may mean the Cubs are out.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #560 on: December 06, 2017, 08:15:18 pm »
Or it may mean that those teams are out as money is not a huge factor for Ohtani but would be for Braves prospects.

Glass half full.

brjones

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« Reply #561 on: December 06, 2017, 08:16:05 pm »
Angels add $1 million too.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #562 on: December 06, 2017, 08:18:23 pm »
Who did the mariners give up?

CUBluejays

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #563 on: December 06, 2017, 08:29:10 pm »
David Banuelos, C from Mariners.

Jacob Pearson, OF from Angels.


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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #564 on: December 06, 2017, 08:47:16 pm »
At what point could a team agree to ALLOW a player's contract to go to arbitration?

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« Reply #565 on: December 06, 2017, 08:58:23 pm »
Hard to spin this development as good news for the Cubs.  Occam's Razor suggests the Angels and Mariners know they're finalists and want to play every card they can.

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« Reply #566 on: December 06, 2017, 09:17:21 pm »
it could mean the Mariners and Angels are the top two or they are just trying to gain any advantage they can. The Angels gave up a player that sounds like Dewees and the Mariners a defensive catcher. I’d give that up if I thought it gave me even a small chance to get Ohtani.

Have the Angels officially announced Maitlan?  If not they have enough money to sign him from this pool.

I’ve given up trying to predict Ohtani. The info is on lockdown and nobody has a clue.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #567 on: December 06, 2017, 09:27:27 pm »
Dennis Lin is probably the best random beat writer follow on Twitter.  In response to Rosenthal pointing out how much more money the Rangers ($3.5 million), Mariners ($2.5 million), and Angels ($2.3 million) have to offer...

Dennis Lin‏@sdutdennislin
Fwiw, I’ve heard Ohtani’s annual endorsements in Japan are worth at least double the Rangers’ max bonus offer.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #568 on: December 06, 2017, 09:42:20 pm »
It's clear money isn't the primary motivator for Otani or else he wouldn't be coming over now, instead of two years from now.  But maybe people are too quick to dismiss the difference between a potential $3.5 or $2.5 million and 300K.  Remember, as someone who's not likely to speak English publicly much if at all, Otani's endorsement opportunities in the States will be limited.  What if he blows his arm out before he can negotiate a lucrative extension?  Those few million bucks could make a big difference.

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #569 on: December 06, 2017, 09:49:28 pm »
That could be true, got a great opportunity, and money isn't top priority, but scraping by on $3M plus endorsements might more easily tide a guy over for a while until the hundreds of millions come in.