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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #585 on: December 07, 2017, 12:21:52 pm »
Depends on the numbers, but as you know I've been on Chatwood for a good while.  Love the upside there.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #586 on: December 07, 2017, 12:25:25 pm »
Depends on whether he was recommended by the scouts who recommended Arrieta or the ones who recommended Anderson.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #587 on: December 07, 2017, 12:30:30 pm »
3 years $38 million.

Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #588 on: December 07, 2017, 12:31:14 pm »
If that's all guaranteed money it's a lot, but pitching ain't cheap.

Except Otani.  He's $300,000.

brjones

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #589 on: December 07, 2017, 12:31:52 pm »
3 years, $38 million is a lot to spend on upside.  He's never been particularly good, is often injured, and walks a lot of batters--doesn't check many boxes for me.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #590 on: December 07, 2017, 12:35:06 pm »
No bargains in free agency.   If you think he’s worth a shot, though, you have to do what you have to do to bring him in, and it sounds like his upside is worth a shot. 
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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #591 on: December 07, 2017, 12:40:23 pm »
"He's never been good" but he's held opponents below .200 away from Coors both of the last two seasons.  And he's a soon-to-be 28 year-old FA rather than 30 or 31.  Sure it's a gamb le, but I think a smart one.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #592 on: December 07, 2017, 12:40:35 pm »
So the Good with Tyler
-Velocity and a high spin rate curve ball.  His slider and change-up seem decent.
-High GB%
- He won't pitch in Colorado
The Bad
- Lack of strike outs
- The walks
- The injuries

I'm not sure how I feel.  $12 million if he can stay healthly isn't bad for a fifth starter.  Their is plenty of upside if he can just have a little better control and with increased curve useage the K's might come.  I get why the want him and I get why people are scared of him.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #593 on: December 07, 2017, 12:42:51 pm »
 Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale
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In last 2 seasons, Tyler Chatwood is tied with #Nats Stephen Strasburg for 2nd in the NL in road ERA with a 2.57 ERA, trailing only #Dodgers Clayton Kershaw (2.16 ERA).
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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #594 on: December 07, 2017, 12:43:59 pm »
Also, doesn't cost us a pick.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #595 on: December 07, 2017, 12:54:33 pm »
Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale
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In last 2 seasons, Tyler Chatwood is tied with #Nats Stephen Strasburg for 2nd in the NL in road ERA with a 2.57 ERA, trailing only #Dodgers Clayton Kershaw (2.16 ERA).

2016 xFIP Home 4.33 Away 4.40// FIP 4.97/3.70
2017 xFIP 4.14/4.30//FIP 5.11/4.79

His K/BB numbers are nearly identical on the road vs away.  He gets some softer contact on the road (2016 there were less extra base hits on the road), but the dramatic change is in LOB% and BABIP.  Basically I think if you are using his home/road splits to justify this signing let me quote Luke Skywalker, "This is not going to go the way you think."

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #596 on: December 07, 2017, 12:56:34 pm »
Thank goodness Theo runs this team and doesn't read all this bunk.

Also worth considering is that Chatwood is among the leaders in baseball in ground ball %, and Colorado's infield defense is terrible.  Ours, meanwhile, may be the best in the game.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #597 on: December 07, 2017, 12:56:35 pm »
If Chatwood can get this, I'd guess Cobb is going to be way more than I'd want to spend too.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #598 on: December 07, 2017, 01:03:12 pm »
I hope not.  If they sign Chatwood and Cobb this winter, it will have been a successful one.

Anyone have a scouting report on Chatwood.  Above it mentioned a good fastball.  Any readings?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #599 on: December 07, 2017, 01:05:00 pm »
Here's Bleacher Nation's profile on him when they were looking at potential targets for this winter:

http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/11/17/taking-stock-of-potential-cubs-free-agent-targets-tyler-chatwood/