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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #600 on: December 07, 2017, 01:09:36 pm »
I think this means Cobb is unlikely, personally - I can't see the Cubs dropping that kind of money on two projected #4 type FA starters.  Assuming the Otani thing doesn't happen, I think the other SP comes via trade.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #601 on: December 07, 2017, 01:15:56 pm »
If Chatwood can get this, I'd guess Cobb is going to be way more than I'd want to spend too.

Yeah, Cobb is going to be way pricier than numbers that were being mentioned earlier on. 

Wonder if Chatwood's a guy who might be a good transition to relief?  I'm not suggesting that's the plan or anything, but often things don't follow plan.  Seems like he might be the sort who, in relief, the control would be less a thing; the fastball would play up; and with faster fastball the curve might become more deadly.  And as is routine with wild starters, throwing fewer pitches in relief can help become more consistent. 

Or, heh heh, if they were to, say, sign Cobb, and then Otani stunned everybody and unexpectedly chose the Cubs, :):):), ghdn maybe a Chadwood could get bumped to the pen and become a stud reliever or something!  :) 

At 28, hopefully the Cubs have some ideas and Hickey can help Chatwood to step up his game, and he's ready to break through as a consistently good starter. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #602 on: December 07, 2017, 01:17:42 pm »
I don't think that the Cubs have/had a reasonable chance for Otani.  And recent events certainly don't sound promising.

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #603 on: December 07, 2017, 01:18:21 pm »
I think this means Cobb is unlikely, personally - I can't see the Cubs dropping that kind of money on two projected #4 type FA starters.  Assuming the Otani thing doesn't happen, I think the other SP comes via trade.

I'd agree this might seem to mean Cobb is less likely. 

Still don't see the trade, thing, though.  Don't think Happ is going to bring what you want; don't think they want to sell low on Schwarber, or that he'd get what you want anyway; and don't think they're going to trade Baez.

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Deeg

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #604 on: December 07, 2017, 01:21:26 pm »
I'd agree this might seem to mean Cobb is less likely. 

Still don't see the trade, thing, though.  Don't think Happ is going to bring what you want; don't think they want to sell low on Schwarber, or that he'd get what you want anyway; and don't think they're going to trade Baez.



But they pretty much have to bring in  one more SP who's not a fringy #6 type.  If it's not Cobb or similar and it's not a trade, what is it?  Could be Darvish I suppose but I've always been skeptical of that possibility. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #605 on: December 07, 2017, 01:23:02 pm »
Pitch Repertoire At-A-Glance
Tyler Chatwood has thrown 11,490 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2011 and 2017, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season and Spring Training. In 2017, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (95mph), Sinker (95mph) and Slider (90mph), also mixing in a Curve (80mph). He also rarely throws a Change (88mph).

BETA Feature:
Basic description of 2017 pitches compared to other RHP:
His fourseam fastball is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, has much less armside movement than typical and has slightly above average velo. His sinker has surprisingly little armside run, generates more whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' sinkers, results in many more groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers, has well above average velo and has little sinking action compared to a true sinker. His slider is thrown extremely hard, generates a very high amount of groundballs compared to other pitchers' sliders, has less than expected depth and has primarily 12-6 movement. His curve is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' curves, generates more whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' curves, has a sharp downward bite and has primarily 12-6 movement. His change is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' changeups, has surprising cut action and is much firmer than usual.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #606 on: December 07, 2017, 01:26:57 pm »
Chacin?

Cobb is better than Chatwood, just because his contract might be more than what I'd want to spend on him doesn't mean the Cubs will view it the same way.  If the choice is a pitcher like Cobb and it costing Happ or paying Cobb more money, paying Cobb more money is fine by me.  Just get Ohtani and it all becomes mute anyway. :)

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« Reply #607 on: December 07, 2017, 01:40:00 pm »
I cant hate on signing Chatwood.

We desperately need pitching and he does have the potential to be better than average.

Now if we do land Cobb that's a strong starting 6.

We legitimately have 5 now.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #608 on: December 07, 2017, 01:44:45 pm »
We do?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #609 on: December 07, 2017, 02:16:19 pm »
Lester,Quintana,Hendricks, Chatwood,Montgomery.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #610 on: December 07, 2017, 02:21:26 pm »
Epstein already said Montgomery is going to be in the swing role, not in the rotation.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #611 on: December 07, 2017, 02:25:42 pm »
They've already said Montgomery is probably going to start the season in the bullpen, so you can't count him.

If the Cubs got Ohtani, I wouldn't be surprised if they still added another starter (Cobb?) and ended up with some kind of modified six man rotation.  That seems to be the plan the Rangers have to help Ohtani adjust, and the Cubs are going to need some pretty strong insurance for Chatwood & Ohtani since they don't have a track record for pitching a lot of innings.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #612 on: December 07, 2017, 02:28:15 pm »
Buster Olney‏ @Buster_ESPN  52m52 minutes ago

The Cubs' rotation is a work in progress, with additional depth needed. For now:
Jon Lester
Kyle Hendricks
Jose Quintana
Tyler Chatwood
Eddie Butler


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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #614 on: December 07, 2017, 03:15:06 pm »
Then we do need another starter then and I kinda like Eddie Butler.