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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #916 on: December 14, 2017, 11:09:18 am »
And the new pitching coach adds another element that wasn't there last season

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #917 on: December 14, 2017, 11:13:05 am »
Cishek with the Rays

9.49 K/9, 2.55 BB/9, 1.09 ERA, 2.14 FIP, 3.37 xFIP

I believe I saw where he was recovering from hip surgery and that might have affected some of his numbers.

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« Reply #918 on: December 14, 2017, 11:46:55 am »
I'm just really, really leery of committing a lot of money to Davis.  He seems like an almost sure bet for a significant regression - and for most of last year he wasn't dominant, just effective enough to get by.

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« Reply #919 on: December 14, 2017, 11:57:15 am »
I'm just really, really leery of committing a lot of money to Davis.  He seems like an almost sure bet for a significant regression - and for most of last year he wasn't dominant, just effective enough to get by.

He was dominant in the past, but I agree that he was not really dominant last year.  But perhaps that WAS his regression, and he will continue at that level for a couple of seasons.  Not a bad situation.

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« Reply #920 on: December 14, 2017, 11:58:22 am »
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of committing a ton to Davis either. But it sounds like the Cardinals are likely to get Colome and the Rockies might get Holland.  At that point, there might not be anywhere left for Davis to get a big contract.  At that point, maybe a 2 year + option deal could get him.

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« Reply #921 on: December 14, 2017, 12:12:17 pm »
Dont kid yourselves.

We need Davis back horribly.

If we can eat the Heyward contract and get nothing in return we can handle Davis's.


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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #922 on: December 14, 2017, 01:21:45 pm »
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of committing a ton to Davis either. But it sounds like the Cardinals are likely to get Colome and the Rockies might get Holland.  At that point, there might not be anywhere left for Davis to get a big contract.  At that point, maybe a 2 year + option deal could get him.

Also not fan of committing a lot for long, and like deeg not confident in Davis's stuff.  But may be that the market is going to make his price appropriate.
 My perception of pre-Cub Davis was a guy with a very good, anti-HR fastball, which set up counts for his slider.  My Cubs perception is a guy whose fastball was straight and whackable, such that he was afraid to throw it much for strikes.  Leading to HR's, long counts, and guys sitting breaking ball and chasing less.  Getting by on guts and savvy, but stuff no longer that good. 

Still, he was effective, and a pen with Davis better than Grimm.  I also wonder whether he might not be able to sustain or be a little better this year.  Davis like all of the pen guys was such a nibbler with the fastball.  Maybe Theo's idea of throwing more aggressively with the fastball could help all four of Davis, Strop, Edwards and Wilson (and Rondon too, had he come back). 

Also think more regular work schedule might help him.  Seemed he'd go forever without work, and get rusty; then get overworked for a spell.  But never a good consistency groove.  Perhaps using somebody else to close at times would be find, to protect against over-use; but using in non-save spots might also be good, to avoid under-use rust. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #923 on: December 14, 2017, 02:22:40 pm »
I haven't been very in the rumor-mill loop.  But has there been any rumors about what Darvish is doing, and who's pursuing him? 

Is there any chance that for whatever confluence of scouting and budget reasons, that nobody is going very hard after Darvish?  And that he might end up being available for a contract that wouldn't be undesirable? 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #924 on: December 14, 2017, 02:33:45 pm »
Twins supposedly want Darvish.

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« Reply #925 on: December 14, 2017, 02:37:18 pm »
Thanks. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #926 on: December 14, 2017, 02:50:05 pm »
Debate on one of those "yell at each other and get pissed" shows the other day about whether Darvish was hurt or just tipping pitches and that nobody was moving on him yet because they had doubts.  FWIW


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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #928 on: December 14, 2017, 03:41:11 pm »
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Maddon's history.  Seems to me Maddon frequently replaces RH relievers mid-inning when lefty hitters are coming up.

Unless he views them as reverse-split guys.  I think he goes by the numbers rather than knee-jerk lefty-righty decisions.

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« Reply #929 on: December 14, 2017, 04:56:27 pm »
Sure, we've seen that with Edwards, and with Koji. 

The board was often much crabby about Edwards getting used as much as he was, given his wildness; it may be that his numbers versus lefties contributed to that?  (If you put in Strop or Rondon, and know you're going to yank them the minute a lefty comes up, maybe use Edwards instead so you don't, and can save or rest lefties?) 

As pertain to Cishek, though, his numbers versus lefties are worse than Strop or career Rondon.  So unless Maddon decides to change how he manages, we can assume that Cishek will be as or more prone to getting lifted when a lefty comes up that has been true with Strop or Rondon. 

Rondon's career numbers are better than Cishek, but they were kinda poor this last year.  Worse overall, of course, but particularly so versus lefties.  I wonder whether that factored in at all in the decision to non-tender him?  Maybe Maddon just knew he was never going to trust Hector versus lefties, and he's hoping that this year he can be more trusting of Strop and Cishek as well as Edwards versus lefties? 

Cubs lefties actually aren't that split-strong versus lefties.  Wilson's numbers were obviously terrible versus everybody, but his 2017 numbers versus lefties were really bad.  Duensing didn't have much split either, and his overall OPS versus lefties doesn't look any or much better than using Cishek versus lefties, certainly not as good as Strop or Edwards.  Montgomery isn't much of a splits guy, either.