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Jes Beard

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #990 on: December 16, 2017, 12:53:58 pm »
The first question with Machado would be, "Where would he play?"

Shift him to 2nd and put Baez at SS?

Shift him to LF?

Leave him at 3B and move Bryant to LF?

Hope Maddon finds a 10th position on the field to put him in?

The next question is whether last year was an abberation or a clear indication of what to expect for the next year or two?

In 2017 Machado had an OPS+ of only 107, which certainly is not terrible, but also is not all that great.

And just what is expected from Russell in the future?

Those three questions need to be answered before moving to the issue of whether he would sign an extension, what an extension might cost, or whether the trade might be worthwhile even if he would not consider an extension and insists on leaving via FA.

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brjones

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #992 on: December 16, 2017, 02:08:25 pm »
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Something to keep your eye on . Cubs in on numerous pitchers and are kicking the tires on Yu Darvish now .

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #993 on: December 16, 2017, 02:25:25 pm »
It sure seems like we are in on Darvish.

I hope he's healthy.

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #994 on: December 16, 2017, 02:34:30 pm »
Let's assume the Cubs have ~$25 million a year left to spend on pitching.  What would everyone here prefer?

- Spend all (or at least the vast majority) on Darvish.  Bullpen either stays as it is, or the Cubs take a flyer on a guy they can get for $2 million (like Duensing last year, but probably with less success)
- Make mid-level additions to both the rotation and bullpen (Cobb and Reed)
- Spend for Davis, then add a lesser SP (maybe someone like Jhoulys Chacin or Jeremy Hellickson)

Tough one.  I guess I'm going to say Darvish, because he seems like he has the reputation for having the stuff to win some postseason games. 

I'm just going by gut instinct, not by head.  I think *if* the Cubs signed him, that would be much more exciting, and I'd have higher hopes entering March.  How I'd feel over the ensuing years, of course, who knows! 

One other note/perspective:  as it stands, until they add SOMEBODY for rotation, Montgomery stands as 5th starter.  So whether it's somebody like Darvish, or Cobb, or Hellickson, if/when they do add a starter, that effectively moves Montgomery back to the pen.  So, in a sense, whether they sign starter+reliever, or 2-relievers, the pen ends up with the same number of guys.  Montgomery + two other guys, it's one for rotation and two for relief either way.   

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #995 on: December 16, 2017, 04:35:42 pm »
There seems to be enough smoke around this Cubs-Darvish business to suggest there's more fire than just that Japanese media report.  It does make sense, no question - why wouldn't they be interested?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #996 on: December 16, 2017, 04:48:08 pm »
I do wonder if the Darvish rumors are being leaked just to pressure Cobb to sign. I don't know where he's going to get more than about 4 years, $50 million if the Cubs are no longer part of the bidding.

It could be a situation where two things are in play--Cobb is asking for more than expected, and Darvish's market is less than expected. If Cobb is asking for something like 4/$80 and Darvish's expected price of 6/$150 has fallen to something like 5/$120, then why not pay the extra for Darvish?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #997 on: December 16, 2017, 05:04:14 pm »
Timing after the Ohtani disappointment is about right...go after another big fish.  But I got my hopes up for Ohtani and I am going to be more rational on Darvish.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #998 on: December 16, 2017, 06:00:35 pm »
About time you were rational about SOMETHING.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #999 on: December 16, 2017, 06:00:48 pm »
If the numbers are even remotely close between Darvish and Cobb, it's a no-brainer to go after Darvish.  We're talking prime ribeye vs. ground chuck.

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1000 on: December 16, 2017, 07:14:21 pm »
...It could be a situation where two things are in play--Cobb is asking for more than expected, and Darvish's market is less than expected. If Cobb is asking for something like 4/$80 and Darvish's expected price of 6/$150 has fallen to something like 5/$120, then why not pay the extra for Darvish?

That's a good perspective, I think that makes a lot of hypothetical sense.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1001 on: December 16, 2017, 07:17:44 pm »
Other boring comment is that the Cubs presumably have an interest in almost anybody who's good and fits their needs.  For every trade discussion that results in a trade, there are presumably hundreds of others that happen but don't.  Team signs a couple of FA's every year; but were probably "interested in" and probably "kicked the tires" on dozens of others? 
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1002 on: December 16, 2017, 08:14:30 pm »
They could also be looking to drive the price up.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1003 on: December 16, 2017, 08:29:52 pm »
The more I think on Darvish, the more I really want this to happen.  He takes a middling rotation which is likely at a disadvantage against most postseason opponents and turns it into a strength.  If you can get him for 5 years at not much more than $20M per, that would be a great move.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1004 on: December 17, 2017, 10:02:43 am »
I agree that that would be a great move.  But I expect that he will bring much more than that, which would make it a not-so-great move.