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CurtOne

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1275 on: January 04, 2018, 04:06:36 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on January 04, 2018, 03:46:37 pm
The chances are pretty good that the Cubs won't start with a 13 man rotation, especially when they can use the 10 man DL. 
Yeah, doubt the 13 man rotation idea.  Still not even sold on 6 man, so 13 is ridiculous.  And putting 10 guys on the DL at one time is nuts too.  Or am I misunderstanding something?
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craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1276 on: January 04, 2018, 04:12:53 pm »
The past three years, we've clearly seen that 13 pitchers is Maddon's predominant norm.  Don't think he'll change, 10-day DL notwithstanding.  During the games in which he wants 13 pitchers (even if it isn't 162 games or opening day, I'd still be surprised if it isn't at least 140.....), you can't have 13 players. 

So if you sign Dyson to give 13 players, what would you do during the >140 games with 13 pitchers?  Options:
1.  Assume somebody will always be injured so it won't be a problem. 
2.  Cut La Stella.
3.  Send Happ or Schwarber to Iowa
4.  Cut Dyson. 
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CurtOne

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1277 on: January 04, 2018, 04:14:22 pm »
Pretty sure he meant 13 pitchers and 10 day DL
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1278 on: January 04, 2018, 04:18:35 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on January 04, 2018, 12:41:22 pm
Are you meaning you think they're done for the offseason?  Because I don't think that's the case.

I think they might make some minor trades, but I doubt that they will be bringing a TOR starter back in trade this winter.  Free agent, possible, but I think a Cobb-type is much more likely than a Darvish-type.  I think they would like to bring back Arietta if they can get him for 4 years.  He has the knack for winning.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1279 on: January 04, 2018, 04:21:51 pm »
Quote from: davep on January 04, 2018, 04:18:35 pm
I think they might make some minor trades, but I doubt that they will be bringing a TOR starter back in trade this winter.  Free agent, possible, but I think a Cobb-type is much more likely than a Darvish-type.  I think they would like to bring back Arietta if they can get him for 4 years.  He has the knack for winning.
I think if they miss out on Arrieta, Darvish, and Cobb, we may see a major trade.  Otherwise, no.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1280 on: January 04, 2018, 04:26:52 pm »
Well, I sure hope not.  I have no desire to trade anyone on the roster for another pitcher.  In my opinion, they are extremely likely to make the playoffs with the roster they have, and they have little need for a fifth pitcher in the playoffs.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1281 on: January 04, 2018, 04:32:11 pm »
Quote from: craig on January 04, 2018, 04:12:53 pm
The past three years, we've clearly seen that 13 pitchers is Maddon's predominant norm.  Don't think he'll change, 10-day DL notwithstanding.  During the games in which he wants 13 pitchers (even if it isn't 162 games or opening day, I'd still be surprised if it isn't at least 140.....), you can't have 13 players. 

So if you sign Dyson to give 13 players, what would you do during the >140 games with 13 pitchers?  Options:
1.  Assume somebody will always be injured so it won't be a problem. 
2.  Cut La Stella.
3.  Send Happ or Schwarber to Iowa
4.  Cut Dyson. 

1.) The 10 day DL makes it easy to shuffle pitchers/players around.  See the Dodgers from last year.
2.) If Baez starts at 2B most days, Zobrist rebounds some, Dyson is the left CF option and Happ can get optioned to Iowa to get regular playing time. 
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1282 on: January 04, 2018, 04:39:16 pm »
Don't sleep on a Salazar trade.  That's one that could happen.
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CurtOne

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1283 on: January 04, 2018, 04:46:30 pm »
Quote from: davep on January 04, 2018, 04:26:52 pm
Well, I sure hope not.  I have no desire to trade anyone on the roster for another pitcher.  In my opinion, they are extremely likely to make the playoffs with the roster they have, and they have little need for a fifth pitcher in the playoffs.
Your comment is again lockstepped into the mentality that another pitcher will be #5.  Why?  I'd rather have 5 #2's than a 1,2,3,4,5.  Pitchers get hurt.  When the season starts, your #5 may go against the other team's #1 many times because of a rainout or a schedule fluke.  Gotta get rid of that thinking.  It only works on paper; not in real play.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1284 on: January 04, 2018, 05:28:55 pm »
I've never seen an offseason move this slowly.  It almost defies belief.
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craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1285 on: January 04, 2018, 06:23:28 pm »
Agree, Curt.  Rare other than opening day and playoffs that #1 matches #1.  Having five #2's (if that were possible) would serve you really well through the regular season.  Being able to put out a solid #2/#3-type guy every day is very conducive to winning streaks. 

The guys they are looking for are guys that might be #2 or whatever.  WS winter, people wondered if Hendricks would even make the rotation, or if Warren or Cahill or Wood might beat him out.  Any of Darvish, Cobb, or Arrieta might end up in our playoff rotations.  Chatwood too, hypothetically. 


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« Reply #1286 on: January 04, 2018, 07:08:38 pm »
Even if we dont make a trade we're just a few moves away from being a 90+ win team [reliever,starter,leadoff man].

There's plenty of time and plenty of options available.

Tranquilo.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1287 on: January 04, 2018, 08:47:48 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on January 04, 2018, 05:28:55 pm
I've never seen an offseason move this slowly.  It almost defies belief.

Basically you have a lot of players that teams want but don't want to pay their asking price for.  GM's don't want to give $20 million per year to Alex Cobb or 6 years to Jake Arrieta any more than any of us, so it's pretty much a waiting game until someone bites.  It's just a long drawn out game of chicken with the different teams and players that we have going on right now.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1288 on: January 04, 2018, 10:04:07 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on January 04, 2018, 05:28:55 pm
I've never seen an offseason move this slowly.  It almost defies belief.

I'm starting to think nothing is going to happen until the last minute before Spring Training starts. About a month from now, we'll see about 120 free agent signings in a week.
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craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1289 on: January 04, 2018, 10:43:43 pm »
I imagine if there was a good deal for a pitcher, the Cubs would have already made it.  Sooner or later they're going to bite the bullet and take the least-bad deal they can find, and hope the guy they get works out great. 
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