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Playtwo

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1290 on: January 05, 2018, 09:11:48 am »
Theo is generally not one to be reactive.  I expect a big move soon.

Ron

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1291 on: January 05, 2018, 09:51:47 am »
Quintana and Hendricks are included in this assessment of the 10 most steady pitchers going through batting order three times, FWIW.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-starters-who-maintain-production-late/c-264262296

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1292 on: January 05, 2018, 09:56:35 am »
So Kapman reported the Cubs offered Cobb 3/$42, FWIW.  Hard to believe they thought that had any chance, although I wouldn't want to go much higher (or longer) than that myself.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1293 on: January 05, 2018, 10:06:22 am »
I've never seen an offseason move this slowly.  It almost defies belief.
ESPN Insider had an article about this.  They blame some of the agents (Boras) who tend to cut it close and squeeze as much as they can, the quality of the free agent class (not much there), and the money a non-quality free agent market is looking for.  As soon as a couple of guy accept lower offers, the dam probably won't break.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1294 on: January 05, 2018, 10:15:36 am »
I'm not sure I agree with the pretext that this is an overly weak FA class.  It's not elite by any means. but I don't think it's a bad group at all on  the whole.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1295 on: January 05, 2018, 10:22:14 am »
Combination: non-elite, but good, talent looking for elite level money.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1296 on: January 05, 2018, 10:56:03 am »
along with teams saving their $$$ for the next two years.

Harper, Blackmon, Kershaw and Machado hit the market next year.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1297 on: January 05, 2018, 12:22:10 pm »
That was mentioned that these FAs are asking for the kind of money those FAs will be looking for.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1298 on: January 05, 2018, 12:30:16 pm »
A majority of GM's being analytical and not wanting to pay for past performance too.   

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1299 on: January 05, 2018, 12:51:04 pm »
The conflict for many GM's is whether to pay for last performance in terms of putting butts in the seats vs bringing in the sabre-solid but unspectacular players more likely to help the team win.  Glorious when you can get both.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1300 on: January 05, 2018, 01:59:21 pm »
Your comment is again lockstepped into the mentality that another pitcher will be #5.  Why?  I'd rather have 5 #2's than a 1,2,3,4,5.  Pitchers get hurt.  When the season starts, your #5 may go against the other team's #1 many times because of a rainout or a schedule fluke.  Gotta get rid of that thinking.  It only works on paper; not in real play.

You are missing the point.

They now have four decent starters - Hendricks, Lester, Quintana and Chatwood.  If they sign another starter, SOMEONE will become largely superfluous in the playoffs.  Whether that is the new signee or Chatwood or Hendricks, or lester, or Quintana, it will add little value in the playoffs,  And, in my opinion, they are likely to get to the playoffs even if they do not sign the new pitcher.  And I doubt that they will sign a new pitcher who will so much better than Chatwood in the playoffs that it will justify the price.

What number you assign to the new pitcher is meaningless.  The point is, he is probably not needed.  It is true that depth is helpful.  Montgomery provides that depth.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1301 on: January 05, 2018, 02:01:27 pm »
Likely due to injuries or non performance, another starter wouldnt be superfluous. I am with Tico, spend the cash this year, next years crop is going to be way way overpriced.

Sign Darvish now.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1302 on: January 05, 2018, 02:05:39 pm »
I am not against signing another good pitcher.  I just don't believe it is necessary.  And the price in a trade would be too high, in my opinion.  If they can  sign Darvish to a price then can afford, then fine.  I just believe that, with the current roster, a Darvish-level free agent pitcher would not be worth the price.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1303 on: January 05, 2018, 05:38:05 pm »
I am extremely confident that Jake, Darvish or Cobb will be a Cub soon.  That would give us a rotation that includes Chatwood, the new signee, Hendricks, Q and Lester.  Montgomery would have the same role as previous seasons.

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a deal for another front line starter above and beyond what we have.  It may not be this off season, but I wouldn't be surprised if Russell and Hendricks were shipped out within the next 12 months.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1304 on: January 05, 2018, 05:48:58 pm »
Why on earth would they move Hendricks?
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