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Ron

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1395 on: January 13, 2018, 07:45:35 am »
I have a hard time knowing whether to take seriously the possibility of bringing Arrieta back.  I guess I'll be surprised if that happens.

I suppose if no team is willing to give Jake what he and Boras want/expect, and the Cubs are in the same ballpark as to money and length, they would have two advantages. Arrieta would be coming back to a place he knows and is comfortable. And Boras could save some face re Arrieta taking so much less than Boras projected by saying Arrieta always really wanted to return to the Cubs and was willing to take less to do so.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1396 on: January 13, 2018, 08:03:24 am »
The Cubs have this marvelous window of opportunity over the next few years and they simply must augment their pitching with one more high end starter.  Trading for one is not realistic, so that leaves Jake or Yu.  I don't have strong feelings about which of them they get, but getting one of them is imperative.  Sure, they would be an excellent team with the addition of a lesser pitcher but, as others have said, this would leave them at a serious disadvantage come playoff time.

I'm confident that we will land Jake or Yu and I'm pulling for Jake on a reasonable 4 (or even 5) year deal.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1397 on: January 13, 2018, 08:50:45 am »
I think trading for Salazar may be realistic.  And when he's healthy enough to pitch he may be as good or better than Yu or Jake.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1398 on: January 13, 2018, 09:45:46 am »
I would prefer to give up money rather than significant young talent.

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« Reply #1399 on: January 13, 2018, 10:10:07 am »
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/frozen-baseball-offseason-hot-stove-starting-pitching-pitcher-theo-epstein-jake-arrieta-yu-darvish-alex-cobb-gerrit-cole-mlb-trade-rumors

“I like the talent that we have right now, but I think we could certainly add to the depth. And you could do that through depth moves or through adding another real quality pitcher and bolster the depth even more that way...."


“We’re looking to add another pitcher just to possibly improve the options in the starting rotation and especially the ripple effect that will add depth,” Epstein said. “The best way to build a championship team is to mitigate all the risks that sink teams and prevent them from being championship teams. And with us right now, we’re very well protected on the position-player side. But there’s legitimate risk for injury or underperformance to our pitching staff that we’re going to be scrambling midseason. You don’t want to be scrambling.

“So we need to continue to add quality and depth and try to mitigate as many of the risks as we can. You never eliminate all the risks, otherwise you’d win it all every year. But eliminating as many of those risks as you can is our job.”


Thoughts:
1.  The focus is on pitching, of course.  But I think the underlined statement about position-players is really relevant.  Cubs have 10 non-catcher position guys, with people like Happ, Zobrist, La Stella, Almora, and Heyward at the back end of that group.  Much flexibility, so I agree with Theo that they are well protected there.  But, behind those ten guys are what, David Bote and Mark Zagunis? 


My point here is that they don't have a position surplus.  If you need to trade two of those ten guys, even one of them, the depth and contingency coverage could VERY quickly erode.  Thus I think Theo should be *very* reluctant to trade Happ or Happ/Almora from that pool.


Position pool is nice as is; but not superfluous/redundant to allow a trade without getting really risky position-wise. 


So, I agree with P2, spending $$$ in FA is the way to go. 


2.  It's interesting how Theo talks about the pitcher.  This is a variation on standard Theo/Hoyer cliche that the repeat every winter, about wanting depth and risk-mitigation for pitchers.  That's what they said two years ago when they added Adam Warren and Cahill, etc..  Last year they talked about that a bunch, but in practice ended up committing to Anderson for the rotation, and the "depth" additions were the likes of Eddie Butler, Dylan Florio, Seth Frankoff, and Alec Mills. 


It's the same spiel every winter, kind of.  But obviously in context we know that Theo is meaning more than adding Butler, Florio, Frankoff, and Mills this time around. 


"could do that through depth moves or through adding another real quality pitcher and bolster the depth even more that way"

Theo talks about "depth moves", but obviously the "adding another real quality pitcher" which then bumps everybody down is really the way to go.  That still won't be super deep:  Chatwood as #5, Montgomery as #6, with Tseng as #7 isn't necessarily the deepest, strongest contingency protection.  But it's a world better than Chatwood #4, Montgomery #5, Tseng #6, and Zastryzny as #7, or whatever. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1400 on: January 13, 2018, 10:16:24 am »
And gives us 4 strong playoff starters with the fifth (presumably Chatwood) moving to the pen for the postseason.

craig

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« Reply #1401 on: January 13, 2018, 10:23:11 am »
Heh heh, the prospect of having a 5th starter that you'd be happy to use in playoff relief is super appealing to me.  Unlike Lackey!  :):)

October was a super-fail in that regard.  Lackey and Montgomery were our 5th/6th starters; the pair couldn't have been more bad in playoff relief. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1402 on: January 13, 2018, 10:56:11 am »
Rosenthal tweeted that Arrietta is down to the Cards and Cubs. I thought it was an old tweet but it was just 3 hours ago. Wasn't this leaked as a trial balloon about a week ago?

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1403 on: January 13, 2018, 12:22:32 pm »
Rosenthal tweeted that Arrietta is down to the Cards and Cubs. I thought it was an old tweet but it was just 3 hours ago. Wasn't this leaked as a trial balloon about a week ago?
Interesting.  Heh heh, might be fun if Cubs were to get Darvish, they get Jake, and over a couple of years we'd get to watch how the two respective pitchers and contracts played out over time for the two rivals. 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1404 on: January 13, 2018, 12:23:06 pm »
I don’t see it on Rosenthal’s timeline, 

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1405 on: January 13, 2018, 12:48:38 pm »
From the convention...

Kid: "Theo when do you think I can get my Bryce Harper jersey?"

Theo: "Ask Kris Bryant he seems to have quite a few."

For those of you who remember (or know) Moses...that was his son’s question...
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« Reply #1406 on: January 13, 2018, 01:08:24 pm »
Smart kid.

craig

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1407 on: January 13, 2018, 01:34:31 pm »
That's great, DAve (and Moses's son....)  Nice answer by Theo, too. 

Yeah, I'd have loved to have Reed at that contract.  Bummer.  Still, I can see the appeal for him to get a clear role as closer on a playoff team with a lot of young and rising talent, in a really nice place to live too. 

Heh heh, if Hoyer is just figuring to end up signing Lackey as 6th starter depth, he'd have had lots of cash left to pay Reed too.  He must have not wanted to pay enough to get Reed because he wants to use his $$ on Darvish this year and Harper next, right?  :)

Ron

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1408 on: January 13, 2018, 03:42:15 pm »
Rosenthal tweeted that Arrietta is down to the Cards and Cubs. I thought it was an old tweet but it was just 3 hours ago. Wasn't this leaked as a trial balloon about a week ago?

I don’t see it on Rosenthal’s timeline, 

Nor do I see it on Rosenthal's twitter account. 

He is one of the few baseball reporters who I think should be taken very seriously on such things  But absent some documentation of the source, I assume this is not current, and/or not from Rosenthal.

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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1409 on: January 13, 2018, 04:19:19 pm »
Willson dominated Q&A today...especially on the topic of Lester/Pham.

Can someone link the video here? I saw it on Twitter a few minutes ago...