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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1455 on: January 19, 2018, 11:12:14 am »
Its almost over.
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« Reply #1456 on: January 19, 2018, 11:27:16 am »
This guy looks like quite an athlete, but I'm not sure why he chose baseball:

http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/01/19/cubs-reportedly-sign-outfielder-wynton-bernard-to-minor-league-contract/
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« Reply #1457 on: January 19, 2018, 12:54:46 pm »
Jeff Sullivan of Fangraphs is being too harsh on Hendricks in his chat today.

Bebop 10:29   
do you think the Cubs should prioritize signing Hendricks & Contreras to extensions?  i know the players have to be interested as well but those seem to be two players that are definite keepers based on position & skillset.

Jeff Sullivan 10:29
Not a whole lot of urgency with either and I can see how the Cubs might want to wait another year or so on Hendricks given how he lost so much more velocity. He's still effective today, but, for how much longer?
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« Reply #1458 on: January 19, 2018, 12:57:23 pm »
The jury is still very much out on that, IMO.  That was a huge 1-year velocity drop for Hendricks, the only saving grace being that he partially recovered in the second half.  Where he is in 2018 is going to tell a lot.
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« Reply #1459 on: January 19, 2018, 01:48:55 pm »
The Cubs control Hendricks through 2020 which will be his 31 year old season.  I'm pretty ok with letting him hit FA, just like Arrieta unless he wants to sign a team friendly deal.
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« Reply #1460 on: January 19, 2018, 03:46:41 pm »
Quote from: CUBluejays on January 19, 2018, 01:48:55 pm
The Cubs control Hendricks through 2020 which will be his 31 year old season.  I'm pretty ok with letting him hit FA, just like Arrieta unless he wants to sign a team friendly deal.

I will wager Hendricks doesn't get to that point as a Cub.
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« Reply #1461 on: January 19, 2018, 04:00:21 pm »
I see Im not the only sceptical one here in regards to Hendricks.
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« Reply #1462 on: January 19, 2018, 04:12:56 pm »
I've been negative about my share of Cub players, so I have little room to talk, but when negative comments are made about a Cub without whom we wouldn't have been World Champions and Division winners, it makes me uncomfortable.  Hate to see Cubs worthy of our support become victims of guys wanting I Told You So's at some point so they could be the Smartest Guy in the Room. 
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« Reply #1463 on: January 19, 2018, 04:41:41 pm »
Some fans and writers have been insisting for four years that Hendricks doesn't throw hard enough to be a really good starting pitcher. Each year he has shown they were wrong (though he did have a sub-par year in 2015), they predict that his success won't last, because he doesn't throw hard enough.

Here is what he's done each of four years in the major leagues:

2014: 2.46 ERA, 154 ERA+, 1.083 WHIP, 2.9 WAR
2015: 3.95 ERA, 96 ERA+, 1.161 WHIP, 1.8 WAR
2016: 2.13 ERA (#1 in NL), 196 ERA+(#1 in NL), 0.979 WHIP, 5 WAR
2017: 3.03 ERA, 144 ERA+, 1.189 WHIP, 3.5 WAR

It remains to be seen how long Hendricks will remain to be one of the better starting pitchers in baseball (which by some measures I gather he has been the last couple of years).  But I do wonder what it will take for him to earn the respect he's earned with his actual performance.
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« Reply #1464 on: January 19, 2018, 05:19:06 pm »
That conveniently ignores the fact that his average fastball dropped what, 2 MPH last season?
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« Reply #1465 on: January 19, 2018, 05:48:46 pm »
Amazes me as well, Hendricks gets so little respect.  I fully expect to learn that what he did last off-season doesn't work and not repeat the mistake.  I think it's fairly well known they changed up off-season stuff.

I can't wait till his age 34 season when he finally sucks and the I told you he wouldn't hold up long-terms come out.
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« Reply #1466 on: January 19, 2018, 05:52:47 pm »
Worrying that Hendricks may backslide isn't the same thing as hoping it happens.
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Re: Cubs in '18
« Reply #1467 on: January 19, 2018, 06:00:44 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on January 19, 2018, 04:12:56 pm
I've been negative about my share of Cub players, so I have little room to talk, but when negative comments are made about a Cub without whom we wouldn't have been World Champions and Division winners, it makes me uncomfortable.  Hate to see Cubs worthy of our support become victims of guys wanting I Told You So's at some point so they could be the Smartest Guy in the Room.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me (in whole or in part) but I am far from negative relative to Hendricks.  I am a huge fan.  Probably as much or more so than most.  I have simply been given reason to believe that the Theocracy and Madden don't feel as strongly as I do.
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« Reply #1468 on: January 19, 2018, 06:02:20 pm »
Upon his return at the end of July until season end, Hendricks steadily improved toward the level of his 2016 brilliance.

After his return, he returned to TORP numbers: a 2.19 ERA (3.38 FIP), 1.18 WHIP, an increased K/9 (8.3) and decreased BB/9 (2.2), with a hard contact rate (25.7%).   His velo crept back up until he was once again averaging roughly 87MPH by his last few starts...no doubt a factor in his 2nd-half resurgence.   Kyle was brilliant in Game One vs the Nats (7IP, 2 hits as I recall).

Hopefully, the velo dip was "hangover" from our extended WS run in 2016.  I'm sure as hell glad we have him and certainly hope his velo stays around 87.  He's a super smart player, a great teammate and he's been one helluva pitcher for us.   

However, IF his velo doesn't stay up around 87, I'd guess he's still a decent candidate to continue to be a good major league pitcher...he sets up hitters extraordinarily well, fields his position with the best and, most importantly, he's been beating the odds for SO damned long!! 
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« Reply #1469 on: January 19, 2018, 06:03:42 pm »
Quote from: Ron on January 19, 2018, 04:41:41 pm
It remains to be seen how long Hendricks will remain to be one of the better starting pitchers in baseball (which by some measures I gather he has been the last couple of years).  But I do wonder what it will take for him to earn the respect he's earned with his actual performance.

I don't think there is anyone here who is not giving him the respect for his performance to this point in his career. He's been great. Clearly one of the 20-25 best starters in baseball over the last 3-4 years.

I think things are being interpreted as knocks on Hendricks when they're not intended that way. An expressed concern that Hendricks has a risky future or a compliment of another player (specifically, I was placed in the "Hendricks doubters" category last week partially because I said Quintana is a better pitcher) is not disrespecting Hendricks' accomplishments. It almost seems that some Cubs fans are starting to develop the same kind of relationship with Hendricks that Cardinals fans have with Molina (on a much smaller scale, of course).
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