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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2700 on: November 24, 2021, 03:40:55 pm »
Yep, this exactly. I don't expect them to go all-out this winter on FA signings. But to balk at the opportunity to acquire a generational talent like Seager or Correa (28 and 27 years old, respectively) due to a "rebuild" is to miss the forest for the trees.

And it's one thing to compete for those players but lose in the end. It's another to take a pass at the chance all together. It seems the latter is the front office's inclination, and that is unacceptable in my view.

Both guys have a fairly extensive injury history.  This team isn't competing in a serious way until 2024 at least.  Signing Seagar or Correa doesn't change that, nor does it change the fact that the Cubs are in this position because they are cheap either.


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« Reply #2701 on: November 24, 2021, 04:35:56 pm »
That a premier franchise would ever be in this situation is an extraordinary indictment of management. Cubs should *always* be a destination players want to play. The history, the brand, the nationwide fan base, Wrigley field, the new facilities, the city of Chicago, the neighborhood of Wrigleyville, the road attendance, the opportunity to be the face of one of the most iconic teams in US sports. I could go on and on.

Just about everything you just said above has been true since the early 1980s when WGN became a cable superstation.

Let us recall that none of the above led to sustained winning until the extraordinarily indicted current management came along, got Cubs into the post-season 5 out of the previous 6 seasons prior to 2021, and won a World Series.

If the current owners are to be indicted, the previous ones maybe should have gone to the electric chair.

Even the Yankees and Dodgers had bad periods in the years since WGN. Dodgers finished 58 games out of first place over two consecutive seasons in early 90s.

Cubs had a really good run in recent years and, like just about every single franchise in MLB at one time or other in recent years, now faces a rebuild. And, it’s, what, one month into the off-season? Let’s see what happens.

In any case, way more important than anything happening this off-season is what happens with player development of the Cubs low-level prospects coming along. Not going to get bent out of shape because Matz bypassed Cubs (and at least six other teams).
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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2702 on: November 24, 2021, 05:42:46 pm »
One of my favorite Newman scenes : r/seinfeld

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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2703 on: November 24, 2021, 06:57:46 pm »
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Sources say the Red Sox, Giants, Cubs, Mets, and Angels are interested in free agent righty Marcus Stroman.

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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2704 on: November 24, 2021, 08:25:32 pm »
It is almost like the Cubs want pitch to contact pitchers. I think that makes some sense when you have Bryant/Baez/Hoerner/Rizzo in the infield. When you are looking at Wisdom/Hoerner/Madrigal/Swindel I kinda question that.

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« Reply #2705 on: November 24, 2021, 08:40:51 pm »
If they spend the money on Stroman, they're not going to have a Wisdom/Hoerner/Madrigal/Swindel infield. They'd sign one of the shortstops, and they'll find a better defensive player at one of the corners.
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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2706 on: November 24, 2021, 08:54:26 pm »
I’ll be surprised if Hoerner is opening day SS. Think Cubs will bring someone in, even if not one of the top guys——though could be a notable guy.

Wisdom played a good defensive 3B this season——glove-wise probably better than the 3B Bryant of recent times. Let’s see if Wisdom can do it again defensively. Maybe he won’t.

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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2707 on: November 24, 2021, 09:13:55 pm »
It is almost like the Cubs want pitch to contact pitchers. I think that makes some sense when you have Bryant/Baez/Hoerner/Rizzo in the infield. When you are looking at Wisdom/Hoerner/Madrigal/Swindel I kinda question that.

It's not like Stroman is totally unable to miss bats or a soft-tosser on the Hendricks/Miley level.  But given his age/velocity decline and what he's likely to cost, I would certainly rather have Gray (Jon - though also Sonny assuming he's a straight salary dump).

And let's be honest - there's little chance the Cubs will sign Stroman.  He'll go to a big-market club.
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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2708 on: November 27, 2021, 08:26:44 pm »
Harold Ramirez is Super-Two arb eligible by six days to spare.

Rowan Wick misses Super-Two, falling two days short.

Assuming no pertinent change in new cba.

Will be interesting to see whether or not Cubs non-tender Ramirez and try to sign him to non-roster minor league deal.

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Re: Cubs in '21
« Reply #2709 on: December 12, 2021, 12:03:24 am »
Andrew Romine called it a career today.

Hope his last season was fun...