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Dave23

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Hot Stove ‘22
« on: July 26, 2022, 08:41:04 am »
From Bowden chat at The Athletic…

What teams are the favorites to land Contreras? Will Happ be traded? And what is the expected return for both? — Jack C.

The Astros, Mets, Giants, Padres or Guardians are the most likely to acquire Contreras. I think Contreras will be traded and there’s a 50-50 chance Happ gets moved, too. Contreras is a rental, but the Cubs should be able to get a top-five and a top-15 prospect from an organization in return. Happ, who is under team control through next year, could yield a top-10 and a top-30 prospect.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2022, 01:13:09 pm »
Passan mentioned the Cubs might be more likely to do a package deal.

One thing I've noticed about looking at prospects lists is you used to be able to go the Cubs should go after x and have a decent idea of who to target.  No with the hitting and pitching development I look at lists and go but if they could fix this problem he'd be amazing.  The problem is we don't really have a clue what can and can't be fixed. 

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2022, 02:00:42 pm »
I can support moving Happ and even Hendricks.  I think Ortega will be dealt as will Robertson, Simmons, and maybe Wick.  But Contreras strikes me as the kind of guy you go after when you're trying to build a champion for his experience, his bat, and his leadership.  SMH if they deal him, I don't care what they get back.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2022, 02:19:47 pm »
Dan Szymborski at Fangraphs has a piece up with his trade proposals.

Has Contreras to Mets even-up to Mets for Mark Vientos, a power guy, dicey defensive profile, and major league ready to take over 1B for Cubs if this happened. 

Vientos a few months farther along than Matt Mervis but who knows who’ll be better a year from now. Not knocked out by this proposal but Vientos has upside. 30% K guy, unlikely to play 3B in majors, almost two years younger than Mervis, righty all the way.

Kind of intrigued by Mets pitching prospect Matt Allan, a TJS lefty who should be back soon. Maybe a package with Vientos for Contreras and Robertson? Maybe Cubs should get a third guy too.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2022, 02:35:57 pm »
Allan is a RHP.

Reb

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2022, 02:37:15 pm »
Allan is a RHP.

Yes, thanks for correcting.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2022, 03:24:20 pm »
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/lets-make-some-deadline-trades/

Vientos doesn't seem like the type of trade player that the Cubs want.  While the Mets certainly have a need for Contreras their minor leaguers make it difficult to see a trade work, so maybe Willson plus a reliever makes sense.

The Happ trade is light.  Colas is interesting, but he's a soon to be 24 year old with 26 PA in AA.  The Cubs are loaded at OF already too.  Kelley was a big name out of the draft, but he has some serious control issues.  Vera does too.  I think that one is a bit forced.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2022, 03:40:40 pm »
Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of doing it. I sure as heck hope the Cubs get an awesome return for Contreras, and even more so for Happ, given his age and the potential he has for being a building piece going forward (with another year to reach an extension).



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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2022, 03:52:25 pm »
Robertson wasn't used to close again today.  He'll soon be gone.

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2022, 03:54:27 pm »
Robertson wasn't used to close again today.  He'll soon be gone.

All in all, a tip of the hat to that guy.  That was definitely a bullpen flyer that worked.

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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2022, 04:01:48 pm »
He took full advantage of the opportunity, that's for sure.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2022, 04:02:35 pm »
With off days tomorrow and next Monday, Cubs have only 4 games remaining until trade deadline—the 4 games in SF starting Thursday.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2022, 04:05:44 pm »
Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of doing it. I sure as heck hope the Cubs get an awesome return for Contreras, and even more so for Happ, given his age and the potential he has for being a building piece going forward (with another year to reach an extension).





I think this puts the nail in the coffin that the Cubs are going actively trying to win in 2023.  If the minor leaguers really take off maybe 2024, but I really think 2025 is going to be the year when they try to actually win. 

Sucks with Ohtani being a free agent after 2023, but the rumor is he wants to play for a winner.  The Cubs might have a hard time selling that, unless they can get him to buy into being Lester 2.0.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2022, 04:12:31 pm »
According to Rosenthal, the Tigers will listen on Skubal.

Marlins are willing to listen on any player not named Alcanatara.