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Dave23

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2022, 04:34:23 pm »
Pablo Lopez is probably gone. Jon Berti will likely draw interest as well.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2022, 05:55:00 pm »
Is there anything the Mets could offer (realistically) for Contreras and Robertson as a package that would satisfy you, if Alvarez and Baty aren't involved?  One or the other to them, maybe, but I don't see both.

All in all I'd rather see the headliner be with the Padres, especially with the possibility of spiking the punch by taking Hosmer.  Even without Abrams they just have a lot more interesting trade chips.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2022, 06:02:21 pm »
Is there anything the Mets could offer (realistically) for Contreras and Robertson as a package that would satisfy you, if Alvarez and Baty aren't involved?  One or the other to them, maybe, but I don't see both.

All in all I'd rather see the headliner be with the Padres, especially with the possibility of spiking the punch by taking Hosmer.  Even without Abrams they just have a lot more interesting trade chips.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2022, 06:32:44 pm »
Maybe on the Mets. They just don’t match up neatly.

Astros are also apparently interested in Willson.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2022, 06:56:56 pm »
How do we feel about Rowan Wick as a "sell high" candidate?

So much team control left.  Does he have another level in him?

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2022, 07:16:18 pm »
How do we feel about Rowan Wick as a "sell high" candidate?

So much team control left.  Does he have another level in him?

How high are we selling on a reliever with a 4.5 ERA and 4 FIP?

I’d just keep Wick and let him close the rest of the year.  Whatever we get isn’t likely enough to give up a guy with some upside and that much team control.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2022, 07:24:50 pm »
Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of doing it.

I am also very sad about losing Contreras in a trade, as I was losing Baez in the trade last year.  But I think the necessity is exactly the same in both cases.  There is no way the Cub are going to win it all this year, and they can not allow a player of Contreras's value to enter into free agency.  Assuming that they will not sign him before the deadline, and there is no indication that they will, then they MUST trade him and at least help the team in the future.  They weaken the team in the long run by letting him go without compensation, and in this instance, substantial compensation.

I'm not sure what they would do with a marginal defensive first baseman, regardless of his power, although I am sure they have better information to rely upon.  The Mets trade sounds to me like a reporter creating click bait on a slow day.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2022, 07:26:50 pm »
Last year I totally understood the decision to trade each of the big three Cubs, even if I felt sad about them leaving. I seem to feel at least as sad this year about losing Contreras and possibly Happ, but I'm less clear about the necessity of doing it.

I am also very sad about losing Contreras in a trade, as I was losing Baez in the trade last year.  But I think the necessity is exactly the same in both cases.  There is no way the Cub are going to win it all this year, and they can not allow a player of Contreras's value to enter into free agency.  Assuming that they will not sign him before the deadline, and there is no indication that they will, then they MUST trade him and at least help the team in the future.  They weaken the team in the long run by letting him go without compensation, and in this instance, substantial compensation.

I'm not sure what they would do with a marginal defensive first baseman, regardless of his power, although I am sure they have better information to rely upon.  The Mets trade sounds to me like a reporter creating click bait on a slow day.
I think this puts the nail in the coffin that the Cubs are going actively trying to win in 2023.  If the minor leaguers really take off maybe 2024, but I really think 2025 is going to be the year when they try to actually win. 

Sucks with Ohtani being a free agent after 2023, but the rumor is he wants to play for a winner.  The Cubs might have a hard time selling that, unless they can get him to buy into being Lester 2.0.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2022, 07:33:49 pm »
Sucks with Ohtani being a free agent after 2023, but the rumor is he wants to play for a winner.  The Cubs might have a hard time selling that, unless they can get him to buy into being Lester 2.0.

I doubt that the Cubs will be serious contenders next year, if by serious, you mean the favorite.  But I believe that 2023 will be a lot closer to 2015 than most people expect, and by the end of 2015, most baseball people knew that the Cubs would be one of the top teams in 2016.  If Ohtana is a free agent, I doubt very much that the decision to not sign with the Cubs has anything to do with the fear that they will not be winners.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2022, 07:39:23 pm »
Wick works much better as a closer.   He has closer mentality.  When he comes in as a set-up guy, there's a little swagger and adrenaline missing.  At the beginning of the year, I think the thinking was that when Robertson got traded, Wick would become the closer, but he's sucked as a set up guy (for the most part) and it looks like Effross is the new guy.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2022, 07:40:22 pm »
Has Ohtani given any indication that he wants to leave the Angels?

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2022, 07:46:06 pm »
Has Ohtani given any indication that he wants to leave the Angels?

There are rumors, but he’d never say anything publicly.

We’d have to show considerable improvement by the end of next season to interest Ohtani, but I doubt we’d be willing to financially go where that would require us to go.  How do you value a guy who pitches like a #1 starter and hits like a middle of the order guy?  Do you price out each half separately and add them together?  In a way it’s like you have insurance against the disaster of signing a #1 starter and having them blow their arm out, because you still have the hitter half.  And he’s a damn good OF too, if it ever came to that.
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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2022, 08:19:34 pm »
I doubt that the Cubs will be serious contenders next year, if by serious, you mean the favorite.  But I believe that 2023 will be a lot closer to 2015 than most people expect, and by the end of 2015, most baseball people knew that the Cubs would be one of the top teams in 2016.  If Ohtana is a free agent, I doubt very much that the decision to not sign with the Cubs has anything to do with the fear that they will not be winners.

All we are missing is Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Baez, Arrieta.  Give the minor leaguers a year or two more.

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2022, 08:36:24 pm »
Ask Votto about Wick’s swag and adrenaline…

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Re: Hot Stove ‘22
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2022, 08:38:59 pm »
LOL