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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 11:54:13 am »
I think Ross as possibility after Lester retires, it would be nice if he got some time actually coaching.  I think the in game managing has little effect on the good teams.

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 11:57:04 am »
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 11:58:11 am »
I've also read that one of the teams with an opening (Twins?) has Brandon Hyde high on their list of people to interview. So if the front office is really married to him being the Cubs' manager in the future, they may have to pull the trigger this offseason.

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 12:18:58 pm »
Rossy told Sutcliffe during the telecast the other day he was prepared to say No alot

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 12:22:49 pm »
Why are we speculating that they would fire Joe?  I was actually thinking Joe may wish to leave.  I think he was frustrated a lot this year, as well as getting some reported heat from on high on some things.  The Angel job could appeal to him.

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 01:04:55 pm »
or sweet retirement...

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 01:33:43 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2018, 04:36:59 pm »
Is this something that's a real possibility?  You have to tip your hat to Maddon for the most successful stretch of baseball the Cubs have had since I've been alive, but I wonder if a change would do us some good. 

The way Joe manages a pitching staff in the postseason drives me nuts by the way.

The way he manages it in the regular season doesn't??

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2018, 04:46:58 pm »
Theo's press conference makes it clear this is a non-story. Unless something really unexpected happens, Maddon is the manager next year.

Also sounds like there won't be many (if any) coaching changes.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2018, 05:04:30 pm »
Maddon has given the Cubs a distinct culture.  Bringing in Girardi would destroy that.....

Maddon isn't going, obviously.  So this thread is probably dead.  But I do wonder if some Cubs might not benefit from a different culture.  This is the only one most of the younger ones have ever experienced. 

I've mentioned this before, but sometimes change-for-change sake is good? 
Sometimes having a new voice is good?

Is it possible that the Cubs players have a culture of "we're so cool; we're so good; we're so fun; we're too cool to stress about losing; we're too cool to work too hard; staying cool is better than practicing too much..."? 

Then Theo talks about lacking urgency and intensity. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2018, 05:15:27 pm »
I get the sense some of the players (Rizzo, Heyward, Lester, Zobrist) create a pretty intense, work-hard, professional culture.  And David Ross certainly did.  I don't think that's the issue.

In the years I've been on this board (almost 20 now), we've never had a manager everyone was happy with.  (Anyone want to trade Maddon for anyone else we've had in recent memory?)  Joe absolutely drives me crazy sometimes, especially with his pitching changes and bullpen usage.  But overall, I think he's one of the smartest guys out there (that alone pretty much negates the Dusty Baker comparison for me), his players seem to love playing for him, and he's achieved some pretty incredible results, this year included, IMHO.  I'm glad to hear he'll (likely) be back.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2018, 05:15:31 pm »
Maddon isn't going, obviously.  So this thread is probably dead.  But I do wonder if some Cubs might not benefit from a different culture.  This is the only one most of the younger ones have ever experienced. 

I've mentioned this before, but sometimes change-for-change sake is good? 
Sometimes having a new voice is good?

Is it possible that the Cubs players have a culture of "we're so cool; we're so good; we're so fun; we're too cool to stress about losing; we're too cool to work too hard; staying cool is better than practicing too much..."? 

Then Theo talks about lacking urgency and intensity. 

That's kind of where I disagree with some about Girardi not being a good culture change.  It might be time for us to swap out of pajama parties on the plane and stuff like that and have someone who's not as carefree about things. 

But we're obviously not making a change, so moot point.  It's not like changing managers would make that much of a difference anyway.

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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2018, 06:37:35 pm »
I'm not blaming Maddon, but it's notable that the approach of giving players lots of time off early in the season didn't seem to help much when we ran into that long string of games late in the season.  I like taking advantage of roster flexibility, but perhaps there needs to be a slight course correction towards playing your best eight throughout the season.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2018, 07:40:10 pm »
Shifting the culture is fine. But Girardi and Maddon seem to be polar opposites in their styles. It's hard to imagine such a drastic change going smoothly. Some guys would be fine--I'm sure Lester would love playing under Girardi, for example. But I bet Girardi's style would clash pretty hard with how guys like Baez, Contreras, and even Rizzo like doing things.

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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2018, 07:46:13 pm »
I like taking advantage of roster flexibility, but perhaps there needs to be a slight course correction towards playing your best eight throughout the season.

But that goes back to roster construction. When Bryant is healthy, the Cubs have three guys who are good enough to be everyday players--Rizzo, Bryant, and Baez. And Contreras is as much an everyday guy as a catcher can be. And those guys play pretty much every day.

But the other four spots rotate not just because Joe is keeping them fresh...but because the players just aren't good enough all around to start everyday. Zobrist is old and needs rest; Schwarber and Heyward can't hit lefties; Almora can't hit righties. Russell just isn't that good at hitting anyone over the last two seasons. Bote's bat is still a question mark; La Stella is bad at everything but hitting singles.

This team doesn't have a "best eight" to play throughout the season...they have a "best four" and a bunch of players who are good in the right situation. So Maddon has to use them the way he does.
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