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Dave23

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2018, 09:26:05 pm »
The topic is perhaps dead only if you believe Joe wouldn’t leave under his own volition...

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2018, 09:37:32 pm »
This team doesn't have a "best eight" to play throughout the season...they have a "best four" and a bunch of players who are good in the right situation. So Maddon has to use them the way he does.

This is true for the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Yankees as well...

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2018, 09:54:05 pm »
The topic is perhaps dead only if you believe Joe wouldn’t leave under his own volition...

That's an interesting point.  Given Maddon's history he'd certainly be tempted if the Angels came a'callin.  And the chance to manage Trout and Otani would seem to hold a certain appeal.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2018, 10:29:03 pm »
My thinking as well...

CurtOne

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2018, 10:37:38 pm »
Why are we speculating that they would fire Joe?  I was actually thinking Joe may wish to leave.  I think he was frustrated a lot this year, as well as getting some reported heat from on high on some things.  The Angel job could appeal to him.
I thought somebody already said that so I went looking.  Sheesh.

Deeg

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2018, 11:08:50 pm »
I thought somebody already said that so I went looking.  Sheesh.

See, where you went wrong is assuming anyone reads your posts...

davep

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2018, 10:29:08 am »
That's kind of where I disagree with some about Girardi not being a good culture change.  It might be time for us to swap out of pajama parties on the plane and stuff like that and have someone who's not as carefree about things. 

But we're obviously not making a change, so moot point.  It's not like changing managers would make that much of a difference anyway.

I agree that a change is not likely.  However, as far as changing the culture is  concerned, Billy Martin made a career out of changing the culture of teams, with great (temporary) success.  Quite often, a team that has become too comfortable with itself responds rapidly and positively to an authoritarian manager.  The success only lasts about 3 or 4 years before it falls apart, but it can be good while it lasts.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2018, 03:55:13 pm »
I think there are some people who are good and will be no matter how long they stay.  Always good communicators, always good decision-makers, and always with the gift of recognizing + hiring good people.  The qualities that work first year continue to pay off forever.  That may be Maddon. 

But sometimes, there can be value in change-for-change sake.  A new voice, I think you tend to wake up and pay attention?  Even if the new voice is essentially saying the same thing but in a somewhat different way? Second, sometimes a new voice does have something different to say, some different insights. Maybe guys have learned everything the first guy has to teach; but a new guy might offer something new? 

That said, *if* you do bring in a new voice, comparison is inevitable.  If the new voice is dumber than the old voice, guys will notice.  If the new voice is more boring, guys will notice. 

I appreciate change-for-change sake, to keep things fresh, and to bring in different insights and perspective. But if you do make a change, it's pretty bad news to bring in somebody who's worse.  Huge opportunity to have players and media compare unfavorably. 
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Jes Beard

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2018, 07:58:34 pm »
What reason is there to believe there is any need for "change-for-change sake" with the Cubs?

Given the injuries and struggles some players had on the Cubs, I don't look at 2018 as a failing by Maddon in any way.

It seems to have been a remarkably successful year for him.
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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2018, 07:31:26 am »
One could argue that Maddon had major responsibility for the Strop injury (which likely cost the Cubs the Division).  And one could question whether his loose approach to the clubhouse might have contributed to some of the disappointing performances.  My own opinion is that Maddon is unorthodox but very effective, and I have no desire to see him replaced in 2019 (and I would be fine with him being extended for a few more years).
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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2018, 08:12:54 am »
95 wins is VERY hard to achieve!  We tied for the MOST wins in the NL, despite SO many things going wrong (e.g. nothing from Darvish, nothing from our closer in the 2nd half, relatively little from Bryant).

We've averaged about 97 wins per season and made the playoffs in EACH season during Joe's tenure...and there's that thing about leading the team to end the longest drought in the HISTORY of sports!!

With the benefit of hindsight, one can nitpick ANY manager for in-game moves, but in-game managerial decisions aren't the most important contribution for a MLB manager...over 162 games, the key question is: can the manager get a group of HUMAN BEINGS ready to play anywhere near their best on a consistent basis?

The team's record - the ultimate measuring stick - certainly suggests Joe has been terrific EACH year!  That there's any debate about whether he should stay on seems rather absurd IMHO.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2018, 08:46:19 am »
Next year is going to tell the tale, because there was a lot to suggest Joe lost the clubhouse this season, and clearly Theo is not wholly satisfied with the current state of the team. Letting a manager go into a lame duck season is not generally a huge sign of confidence.

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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2018, 09:19:51 am »
Next year is going to tell the tale, because there was a lot to suggest Joe lost the clubhouse this season, and clearly Theo is not wholly satisfied with the current state of the team. Letting a manager go into a lame duck season is not generally a huge sign of confidence.

I obviously missed some things. Can you give specifics on how there was a lot to suggest Joe lost the clubhouse? 
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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2018, 09:37:53 am »
I think this board should be the new manager.  We can vote as a group on every move.  The lineup.  Pitching changes.  Pinch hitters.  Infield alignment.  From what I've read on here, we'd go 162-0.  If there were any losses, we could blame Deeg.  But, regardless, we'd have a lot less bitching if it was our decisions.

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Re: Next manager?
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2018, 10:32:12 am »
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