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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1155 on: November 14, 2013, 03:52:09 pm »
Tolzien sucks wait till he gets hit a few times....those happy feet start gittering....then he gives up the ball. 2 picks!

Peckers end up 7 and 9

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1156 on: November 15, 2013, 05:49:11 pm »
Tolzien sucks wait till he gets hit a few times....those happy feet start gittering....then he gives up the ball. 2 picks!

Peckers end up 7 and 9

 I'm all for that except that Tolzien came off the bench and tossed the rock for 199 yards.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1157 on: November 24, 2013, 10:32:11 pm »
It seems that GB is slightly ahead of yesterday.  They need to beat both Det and Chi to win the division.  But winning those two games gives them the edge over both.  A sweep is needed to assure winning the division.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1158 on: November 25, 2013, 01:00:23 pm »

If Packers are visiting Detroit on Thanksgiving Day without Rodgers - they will be probably not be favored to win.

If Bears can get healthy on defense they will play the Packers tough in Chicago but it might be too late for both teams if Lions keep winning.

So I guess I have to root for the Pack on Thursday?

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1159 on: November 25, 2013, 01:18:42 pm »
I can root against BOTH - always better than rooting for one or the other - while the Bears are at home feasting like Pilgrims!!

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1160 on: November 25, 2013, 02:03:48 pm »
I'm pretty confident that Jim Schwartz will continue to make poor decisions down the stretch and Detroit's history of choking will continue so I have no problem pulling for them to beat the Pack on Thanksgiving.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1161 on: November 25, 2013, 02:33:08 pm »
I am rooting for another tie.  ;)

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1162 on: November 25, 2013, 03:45:34 pm »
Here's the issue.....do the Pack risk another hit on Rodgers immediately after coming back from injury? 'A boy named Sue' will be in their backfield and if he gets his hands on Rodgers, it's over for the Pack maybe for this season or longer.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1163 on: November 25, 2013, 03:51:01 pm »
Comments on GB-Minn game:

Fascinating watching two really good RBs in that game.

If Flynn had started the game I'm confident GB would have won.  The way Flynn played I feel GB has a good chance to beat Det with or without Rodgers.  That game is the key for GB.

The GB tie means they have the control of their future. It will require beating Chi and Det.  The best solution is to run the board.

Mathews is healthy again and can be a factor in winning.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1164 on: November 25, 2013, 03:52:48 pm »
Word is Rodgers won't be playing.....

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1165 on: November 25, 2013, 04:00:40 pm »
Comments on the Minn game:

It was fascinating watching the battle between two very good RBs.

If Flynn had started the game I believe GB would have won.  With Flynn playing as well as he did I feel GB has a good chance to beat Det with or without Rodgers.

With  the tie GB holds their fate in their own hands.  A win against Minn and Chi will be necessary.  Looking objectively, if they can't win those games there is no sense going into the play-offs, anyway.

Matthews is nearly 100% healthy and can be a factor from here on out.  If  GB can beat Minn Rodgers should be healthy for the next game.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1166 on: November 25, 2013, 10:02:05 pm »
The Week 14 game against the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday, December 8th has been moved up and replaced with a playoff-caliber matchup between the Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints. Green Bay's game will instead kick off at noon Central time and will be televised on FOX, the NFL announced.

Good.  I loathe those Sunday night games.  ;-)

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1167 on: November 25, 2013, 11:42:58 pm »

 The only thing Tampa did to beat Deetroit was replace their QB ... who has since moved on to Minnie.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1168 on: December 04, 2013, 04:11:26 pm »
In order for GB or Chi to win the division:

2. The Lions must lose twice

As recently as two weeks ago, conventional wisdom held that the Lions had the easiest schedule remaining, but a lot has changed since then. Some of the former patsies of the NFC East have rebounded and, perhaps most importantly, the next 3 Detroit opponents are just terrible matchups for the Detroit defense for reasons we will get into momentarily.

at Philadelphia

Detroit has a spectacular run defense. By DVOA they rank 2nd overall in this category, and I don't think too many would argue with that ranking. Why then do I think the Eagles with Chip Kelly's typically run-based offense are a brutally difficult matchup for the Lions? The Eagles under Nick Foles excel in the two areas where Lions are weakest. Anyone who watched Tiquan Underwood torch them for 108 yards and 2 TDs a few weeks ago will be familiar.

According to Football Outsiders, the Lions are 27th against the pass. They are 28th against #1 receivers and that's a generous number as it includes the Matt Flynn debacle. They are, for my money, the worst secondary in the league. Moreover, while they excel in stopping the run, they are only 20th in the league defending against running backs catching passes. Here are some notable receiving stat lines against the Lions:

Alshon Jeffery - 5/107/1 TD, Brandon Marshall - 7/79/0, Martellus Bennett - 8/90/0
James Jones - 4/127/1 Jordy Nelson - 5/82
Josh Gordon - 7/126/0, Chris Ogbonnaya - 7/61/1
A.J. Green - 6/155/1
Dez Bryant - 3/72/2, Terrence Williams - 2/64/1
Brandon Marshall - 7/139/2, Alshon Jeffery - 9/114
Antonio Brown - 7/147/2
Tiquan Underwood - 3/108/2

The Eagles boast one of the game's best deep threats in DeSean Jackson and one of the best receiving RBs in LeSean McCoy. Moreover, since Nick Foles took over they've basically torched even good defenses. Scoring 24 points against Arizona is no small feat. The Eagles' defense isn't any good themselves, but they actually hold their own against #1 receivers (16th) and #2 receivers (10th). They struggle mightily against "other receivers" (29th) but we're talking Kris Durham here. Again, I'm not saying the Eagles will destroy the Lions, but this will be a very tough game for Detroit. Philly has won four straight games and looks like a different team lately (yes, part of this is an easy schedule). They are in a dogfight in the East, though, and will be highly motivated to win.

Home vs. Baltimore

Remember how I said the Lions have an elite run defense? The Ravens don't care because the Ravens can't run against anyone. Everyone the Ravens play (except the Bears) turns into the Lions. The Ravens don't do a lot well on offense, but one thing they happen to do well is throw the deep ball. Torrey Smith is still an elite deep receiver. Jacoby Jones isn't much, but he's a good deep receiver. These guys should be able to torch the Detroit secondary.
Baltimore may be bad on offense, but they're still a top-10 defensive unit (8th per Football Outsiders). They won't shut down Megatron (who does?) but should be able to keep their offense in the game. The Lions to watch in this game will be Reggie Bush and Joique Bell, as the Ravens rank 26th against backs out of the backfield.

Home vs. New York Giants

The Giants went from a laughingstock at 0-6 to a legitimate playoff contender by winning 5 of their last 6 games. Their defense, and Jason Pierre-Paul in particular, has gotten healthy lately and their season stats do not accurately reflect just how dangerous they currently are. Over the course of their last six games they have allowed 7, 7, 20, 13, 24, and 17 points. Football Outsiders agrees putting them 9th for the season and 6th using their weighted metric, which weighs more recent games more heavily. Better still; the Giants are 5th against #1 receivers (and 1st against #2 receivers).

On offense, the Giants again hit the Lions where it hurts. Victor Cruz is likely to torch this secondary. Rueben Randle is likely to chip in. Even the beleaguered Hakeem Nicks has shown some signs of life lately. With a healthy Andre Brown, who is no slouch in the passing game, the Giants offense is now formidable enough to capitalize on the Detroit defense.

At Minnesota

This is the lone good matchup for the Lions. They easily handled the Vikings back in week one and I expect they will again.

I don't expect the Lions to lose all three of those games, but no one should be shocked if they lose two. Keep in mind that some of the intangibles (awful penalties, terrible coaching) and things look rosier still.

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Re: NFC North (04.12.11 - 09.10.15)
« Reply #1169 on: December 05, 2013, 09:02:35 pm »

 Packy its why we watch the game ... this shiit aint garnered in stone.