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craig

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2745 on: July 29, 2015, 08:39:38 pm »
I'll guess C, 52.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2746 on: July 29, 2015, 08:45:31 pm »
After his walk, Javy stole 2B, which led to him scoring Iowa Cubs' 2nd run.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2747 on: July 29, 2015, 08:55:24 pm »
I'll guess C, 52.


I would have guessed that too, but it's 19.

In 2014 , there were only 22 catchers interference called all season.  1/2 of those involved just four hitters:  Goldschmidt (4), Ryan Ludwick (3), Gentry (2), Brad Miller (2).

All-time record holders is Pete Rose, with 29 in his career.


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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2748 on: July 29, 2015, 09:42:30 pm »
Not sure if box score is correct (sometimes they chance and a pitcher who looked like he went 7 innings only went 5....). 
But Pierce Johnson has 7 innings, 7K/2BB, 1 run, 1 flyout.

If we don't acquire some Cashner/Ross type club-control guy, and don't acquire some cheap rental vet, I wonder if Johnson might get consideration for the Beeler/Wada/Wood/Richard spot at some point?  Not sure whether staying on the wildcard outskirts would make Theo more interested in bringing Johnson up, or less. 

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2749 on: July 29, 2015, 10:02:08 pm »
I think that Johnson is a candidate to be brought up.  Another would be Edwards.  Either one should be an upgrade over Beeler and the others.

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« Reply #2750 on: July 29, 2015, 10:12:26 pm »
Baez with an Ofor with three Ks.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2751 on: July 29, 2015, 10:15:58 pm »
Not sure if box score is correct (sometimes they chance and a pitcher who looked like he went 7 innings only went 5....). 
But Pierce Johnson has 7 innings, 7K/2BB, 1 run, 1 flyout.

If we don't acquire some Cashner/Ross type club-control guy, and don't acquire some cheap rental vet, I wonder if Johnson might get consideration for the Beeler/Wada/Wood/Richard spot at some point?  Not sure whether staying on the wildcard outskirts would make Theo more interested in bringing Johnson up, or less. 

Of course, could bring up Pierce Johnson from AA but maybe a pit stop at Iowa beforehand?  Has never pitched at AAA level but, at age 24, maybe not a big deal if he's throwing ball well at whatever level.  Don't think AAA is necessary in many cases.

Unless one thinks he has to dominate each level before a call-up.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2752 on: July 29, 2015, 10:17:13 pm »
But Almora with three walks.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2753 on: July 29, 2015, 10:35:58 pm »
I don't know about others, but if Johnson were 22, was expected to be a TOR pitcher and had never had injury background, I would hate to see him called up right now.  But at age 24, with middle of rotation stuff at best, might as well.  I also had no problem with them calling up Beeler or Medina.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2754 on: July 29, 2015, 11:44:18 pm »
reb, my view is that pitchers are different from hitters.  A pitcher is the initiator, and you can scout his stuff/command.  His velocity/curveball/command don't really depend on the level.  The plate is the same size and distance in AAA as in AA.
*Most likely Johnson's control and consistency are NOT nearly good enough for the majors.  But *if* they think they are, I don't expect that some starts in AAA would change any of that.  Either he's ready, or he's not. 

While a pitchers ability to pitch won't change from AA to AAA, a hitter's ability to hit often does change significantly with each step, because the pitching gets better with each step.  And since scouts haven't seen a guy at AA need to face AAA-caliber breaking stuff, much less big-league breaking stuff, it's harder to evaluate whether the guy's hitting ability is ready or not.  And, a hitter can't practice against better pitching until he faces it.  A pitcher can practice his slider on the slider as often as he wants. 

Granted, the "face" issue is more complex; and requires personality evaluation.  Maybe a guy had velocity/movement/curveball/command/consistency in AA, but will fall to pieces when the adrenalin rush of the big stadium hits.  Or, maybe he'll throw a couple of the same pitches he threw in AA but they'll go for HR's in the majors, and then he'll fall apart and all of the command/consistency that looked fine in AA will go to pieces. 
*I suspect that's very much a risk for Johnson, and even more so for Edwards.  When a guy has shaky control to start with, amping up all the pressures in the majors likely exacerbates that. 

But certainly there's no question but that Edwards stuff.  His velocity and movement are more than plenty good enough to excel in the majors.  It's the control that's obviously limiting and worrisome. 

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2755 on: July 30, 2015, 12:09:06 am »
Yeah, agree with your observations about moving up pitchers, with caveat about make-up.

If the guy has the stuff, at least decent command, and toughness, wouldn't worry much about a neat progression. In Johnson's case, however, all that has to be balanced with his fragility issue---suppose he  might come down with aches and pains anywhere but hate to rely on a guy in majors and then have him come down with a "foreseeable" health issue yet again. If he was 22 and without health issue background and has the above qualities---no problem, get him up here. But, presently, perhaps have to baby him a bit.

As to Edwards, sense that he's on cusp of a big league call-up. But, I love power bullpen arms. Get him here.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2756 on: July 30, 2015, 06:52:00 pm »
Somebody tweeted Almora isn't in the lineup in AA and Olt has been benched the last 2 days.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2757 on: July 30, 2015, 06:53:19 pm »
Who would want Almora?

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2758 on: July 30, 2015, 06:56:43 pm »
Who would want Almora?

Quiet you.

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Re: On The Farm (11/14 - 08/15)
« Reply #2759 on: July 30, 2015, 07:33:44 pm »
Alcantara is also not playing.