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davep

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« Reply #3240 on: February 17, 2013, 07:54:14 pm »
No.  I am recommending that we correct one weakness of federalism.

You seem to confuse blind adherence to s foolish cause as some sort of strength.

Federalism is very good in most instances.  In some instances, such as when federalism allowed slavery to continue for almost one hundred years, it must be tempered with intelligent modification.

Federalism, like just about everything else in the world, must be applied rationally, not blindly, as you do.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #3241 on: February 17, 2013, 10:06:34 pm »
dave, the problem was slavery was rather obvious, and failing to eliminated through a constitutional amendment would have had it continue.

You can not come close to making such a claim regarding your desire to make English the official language.  For more than 220 years we have had immigrants coming to this country and learning the language and assimilating.  You want to introduce a solution to a problem which does not exist, or which at least to the extent that it does exist has always resolved itself perfectly well for more than 220 years.

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« Reply #3242 on: February 18, 2013, 06:51:09 am »
And the media has always advocated the concept of "diversity" over that 220 year as they do today?

The founding fathers realized that they could not forsee everything that would happen in the future, so they created the mechanism for amending the Constitution.

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« Reply #3243 on: February 18, 2013, 08:22:57 am »
They certainly did create that mechanism.  They also deliberately made it difficult enough that it is very difficult for nutty ideas to pass (difficult, but not impossible -- see for example the 18th Amendment).

Those pushing English as the Official language as you do will not only fail, but as I have pointed out, with the fastest voting block in the nation you will so discredit yourselves and any party associated with you in the process that you will condemn yourselves to losing the White House for decades to come if the idea ever gains enough traction to become a serious topic of debate.

This is the kind of thing liberals just love to see Republicans call for.

davep

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« Reply #3244 on: February 18, 2013, 08:31:49 am »
I am not pushing for a constitutional amendment, any more than I am pushing for making all official business be done in English. 

It should be done. 

It won't be done.

Conservatives have lost that battle, just as they have lost most battles.

The Unites States is on a downhill decline, both culturally and politcally, that isn't going to be reversed.  The best we can hope for is that it can be slowed.  The Constitution was an excellent document for a culturally conservative country.  As the country becomes more culturally liberal, the Constitution is becoming less relevant.

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« Reply #3246 on: February 18, 2013, 10:40:46 am »
You only have to watch Jerry Springer to know that, Bear.

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« Reply #3247 on: February 27, 2013, 01:15:45 pm »
You only have to watch Jerry Springer , sarah palin, rush limbaugh, glenn beck, sean hannity, a dead brett breitbart er fox news to know that, Bear.

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« Reply #3248 on: February 27, 2013, 01:44:12 pm »
You only have to watch Jerry Springer , sarah palin, rush limbaugh, glenn beck, sean hannity, a dead brett breitbart er fox news Oddo the Yokel to know that, Bear.

I fixed it for you, Oddo.

Have you resigned from your union yet?  Remember, Scott Walker has freed you.

davep

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« Reply #3249 on: March 07, 2013, 01:20:16 pm »
Has Lindsey Graham been on the right side of any political activity since the impeachment trial of Clinton?

For the most part, he is worse than McCain.

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« Reply #3250 on: March 07, 2013, 02:19:11 pm »
I'm not sure which issue you are talking about now, dave, but listening to him either last night or this morning offer his support for presidential kill lists I was wondering the same thing.

Graham is one of those who under Bush was loudly insisting that the Bill of Rights had no application to non-citizens or to anyone not on U.S. soil, and he was so adamant in his insistence, and proclaiming his expertise as a JAG prosecutor, that I actually started to wonder whether there might have been some merit to his claims.... so I read it closely, and then read some of the ratification debate in the Federalist Papers and some of the court decisions addressing the issue, and concluded that he was entirely wrong... and then when the Supreme Court addressed the issue they agreed that the position he insisted was right was absolutely wrong.

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« Reply #3251 on: March 07, 2013, 02:22:37 pm »
I was referring to the criticism that he and McCain have given to Rand Paul over his filibuster yesterday.

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« Reply #3252 on: March 07, 2013, 03:21:49 pm »
What is it you saw from him?

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« Reply #3253 on: March 07, 2013, 03:33:49 pm »
Rand was demanding a response from the Administration admitting that the government does not have the right or authority to kill people with drone strikes within the United States that are not involved in immediate combat against the United States.

Lindsey and McCain said that the very act of asking the question was embarrassing.

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« Reply #3254 on: March 07, 2013, 08:22:55 pm »
I agree with Rand, and agree with you about Lindsey and McCain being wrong about Rand's filibuster, or his comment about a drone strike on Jane Fonda 40 years ago, being embarrassing.... but now the question needs to move beyond the borders of the U.S. and beyond just U.S. citizen.

How long are we as a nation going to continue to accept the president's claim that he has the authority under the Constitution to declare someone an "enemy combatant" if they are not on U.S. soil and put them on a kill list?

Nothing in the Constitution even suggests that it limits the power of the Federal government only when dealing with U.S. citizens and on U.S. soil.