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Deeg

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2012, 02:39:34 am »
But what teams will be open to him?
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Jes Beard

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2012, 05:57:42 am »
Quote from: StrikeZone on July 27, 2012, 08:56:41 pm
How many of the prospects in their deep system would Texas trade for a rental and an injured dude?

The concern over the "injured dude" can be addressed by using PTBNL from different lists depending on how quickly Garza returns.
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Ron

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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2012, 02:08:11 pm »
We'll all be glad when the trading deadline gets here and when the drama around Dempster is past, I think.  But the more I read about other teams and their options, I do wonder if the Cubs are in as bad a bargaining position as has been assumed here.

This presumes that the recent report that Dempster is open to accepting a trade to a team other than the Dodgers (including the Braves), when it gets closer to the deadline is accurate.   IF that's true, the Cubs could end up still making a good deal for him. The Marlins are apparently asking for the moon for their pitchers. Liriano is available but he hasn't had below a 5.0 ERA since 2010. Dempster sure seems to be the best available starting pitcher, far and away, even as a rental. With the Braves, Dodgers, Rangers, Nationals and White Sox all looking for starting pitching, so long as Dempster becomes more flexible, the Cubs may do just fine. 
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Deeg

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2012, 02:36:02 pm »
Lee may very well be available, and Shields certainly is.
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Ron

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2012, 06:30:26 pm »
Quote from: Deeg on July 28, 2012, 02:36:02 pm
Lee may very well be available, and Shields certainly is.

Jon Heyman claims that the Rays want more for Shields than the Brewers got for Greinke.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19676351/rangers-dodgers-braves-indians-in-mix-for-shields


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Ron

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2012, 06:34:34 pm »
Meanwhile Danny Knobler says that "people in baseball" have started thinking Dempster could still end up with the Braves.  There's a source ("people in baseball") you can rely on.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/19677669/could-dempster-still-land-with-braves?-some-still-think-he-will
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ticohans

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2012, 07:10:07 pm »
They should want more for Shields. He's not a rental.

The Greinke return both legitimizes the Delgado return for Demp and puts further pressure on the Dodgers.

It's going to be hilarious to watch them limp towards the playoffs with their current rotation (sans Eovaldi). They HAVE to make a move.

Deal Demp to the Braves for Delgado, then tell LA the price for Garza is Lee and Webster. What are they going to do? Pay MORE for Shields?
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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2012, 08:05:52 pm »
Eight shutout innings for Mike Minor against the Phillies tonight. That's 4 straight very good starts for him. I'd have no problem taking him back in a Dempster deal if Delgado is off the table.
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Ron

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2012, 01:40:43 pm »
I'd be surprised if we hear anything serious about Dempster unless and until there is actually a deal finalized.  Suspect the Cubs are going be very insistent about silence by people with whom the have discussions.  That's not to say there won't be commentators chiming in - it's what they do, and speculation will fill the void.  Bowden's tweet is a good example.

I'm guessing we won't know anything until Tuesday, tonight at the earliest.

Meanwhile the Marlins have reportedly decided not to trade Johnson and the cost to teams interested in Clif Lee (money as well talent) would presumably make him a non factor.  Just a little over 25 hours to go to the deadline. 
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jacey1

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2012, 01:43:23 pm »
Quote from: Chris27 on July 28, 2012, 08:05:52 pm
Eight shutout innings for Mike Minor against the Phillies tonight. That's 4 straight very good starts for him. I'd have no problem taking him back in a Dempster deal if Delgado is off the table.
Not Minor by himself...I'd have to get at least one other prospect back
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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2012, 02:00:02 pm »
...at this point, jacey...
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Ron

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« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2012, 03:06:43 pm »
Hard to believe that both the Dodgers and Braves will stand pat with their rotations. 

Braves supposedly not interested in anyone who would not be top 3 in rotation for playoffs.  Isn't Dempster the only practical option, if he consents to a trade now that the deadline approaches?  Dodgers wanted to improve their rotation before losing one member in trade.

Interesting scenarios.
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CurtOne

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2012, 03:09:47 pm »
Lilly is about to come off the DL.

Atlanta was on a winning streak which can often cloud reality.
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Ron

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2012, 03:15:23 pm »
Quote from: CurtOne on July 30, 2012, 03:09:47 pm
Lilly is about to come off the DL.

Atlanta was on a winning streak which can often cloud reality.

Dodgers still need another pitcher though.
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CurtOne

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Re: Ryan Dempster
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2012, 03:24:04 pm »
If I'm the Dodgers, I have Kershaw, Billingsley, Capuano, Harang, and Lilly coming off the DL.  In post season, they only need 3.

I don't think they feel they MUST have another pitcher.  It would be great to get someone as good as Dempster, but...
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