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Deeg

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2340 on: July 06, 2021, 09:11:36 pm »
If they don't get everything they can for everyone they can the whole front office needs to go.

The issue is that a lot of these guys probably have minimal trade value now, especially in an era where prospects are overvalued.  Kimbrel is the biggest lure, because not only is he the best closer in baseball right now but he can be retained for next season (wouldn't appeal to Oakland, but maybe HOU, ATL or BOS).  Chafin should get you one decent B prospect.  But Bryant, Rizzo, Baez?  All rentals, and apart from Bryant all having mediocre seasons.  I'm not convinced any of them would bring back much.

Ross is sort of the elephant in the room.  He looks like he's in over his head, but with the team unlikely to contend for 2-3 seasons minimum that's probably not an urgent matter.  The question is whether Ross is a guy you want in charge when you're trying to break in a group of young players (though we don't have many of those either, not that would be ready next season anyway).
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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2341 on: July 06, 2021, 09:25:56 pm »
OTOH, as I noted yesterday Baez is looking far better at the plate and may be on the verge of a major hot stretch.  And even as is, he's a Gold Glove SS with 20 HRs before the break.  Someone will take a flyer on him for at least a fringe prospect.

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« Reply #2342 on: July 06, 2021, 09:57:13 pm »
Have to be very concerned that, with Sogard on the IL, Cubs may have to go with an untested pitcher in 9th inning tonight.
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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2343 on: July 06, 2021, 10:54:24 pm »
A tiny bright spot in this very ugly game: Robinson Chirinos has just hit his first homer as a Cub.  Score has narrowed to 15-10.

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2344 on: July 06, 2021, 11:03:07 pm »
A tiny bright spot in this very ugly game: Robinson Chirinos has just hit his first homer as a Cub.  Score has narrowed to 15-10.

I think Baez' 2 HRs are a considerable bright spot, given how good he's looked this last week and what it could do for his trade value.

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2345 on: July 06, 2021, 11:08:37 pm »
The issue is that a lot of these guys probably have minimal trade value now, especially in an era where prospects are overvalued.  Kimbrel is the biggest lure, because not only is he the best closer in baseball right now but he can be retained for next season (wouldn't appeal to Oakland, but maybe HOU, ATL or BOS).  Chafin should get you one decent B prospect.  But Bryant, Rizzo, Baez?  All rentals, and apart from Bryant all having mediocre seasons.  I'm not convinced any of them would bring back much.

Ross is sort of the elephant in the room.  He looks like he's in over his head, but with the team unlikely to contend for 2-3 seasons minimum that's probably not an urgent matter.  The question is whether Ross is a guy you want in charge when you're trying to break in a group of young players (though we don't have many of those either, not that would be ready next season anyway).

If we could sign 2 of our 3 FA's, we might be able to trade people like Happ, Wisdom, Davies, and a couple of relievers.  Definitely Kimbrel.  They might bring back more than the 3 FA.  They're still young enough to be more than a temporary band aid.   Wisdom needs to go before the whole league realizes he's turning back into a pumpkin. 

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« Reply #2346 on: July 06, 2021, 11:39:36 pm »
If we could sign 2 of our 3 FA's, we might be able to trade people like Happ, Wisdom, Davies, and a couple of relievers.  Definitely Kimbrel.  They might bring back more than the 3 FA.  They're still young enough to be more than a temporary band aid.   Wisdom needs to go before the whole league realizes he's turning back into a pumpkin. 

I don't know that I would want to sign 2 of those 3 FAs.  Why?  We aren't going to be competitive in 2022-23 whether we do or not.  How much are these guys going to be giving you after that?  I'm even worried about Contreras being on the decline when our next window opens up - he's already showing signs of overuse.  I'd try and sign Baez if you don't get a good offer, trade Bryant for whatever you get, and let Rizzo walk. 

Wisdom surely has almost no trade value based on a few likely deceptive weeks.  Davies is a back-end starter no matter how you slice it.  Happ is terrible, and beyond Kimbrel and Chafin what relievers do we have who'll bring anything decent back?  If you want to inject serious talent into the system not only do you have to deal Chafin, Kimbrel, and Bryant, you have to consider Contreras and Hendricks too.

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2347 on: July 07, 2021, 09:09:18 am »
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you have to consider Contreras and Hendricks too.

Consider?  Deal everyone you can for something.  Blow it all up.  2016 is long gone.  It's way past time to start over.

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« Reply #2348 on: July 07, 2021, 09:40:37 am »
To the decision makers, winning a championship isn't everything. Baseball is an entertainment business and there is an incentive to keep the team competitive whether or not that moves you closer to winning a WS.

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« Reply #2349 on: July 07, 2021, 01:32:53 pm »
Consider?  Deal everyone you can for something.  Blow it all up.  2016 is long gone.  It's way past time to start over.

Absolutely!  Start with the front office immediately and then get rid of the coaches for sure.  Bring in a whole new crew and do it soon.  As an owner you have to pay these salaries anyway, pay somebody else.  Have a new front office team in place by the trade deadline.  We have to act right now.

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2350 on: July 07, 2021, 03:24:48 pm »
54% chance of light showers


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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2351 on: July 07, 2021, 06:47:42 pm »
Baez scratched with a right thumb sprain



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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2352 on: July 07, 2021, 06:51:45 pm »
Will this system stay together as it nears Wrigley?


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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2353 on: July 07, 2021, 07:30:38 pm »
A string of two-out hits gives the Cubs a 3-0 lead in the first inning.  The inning almost ended on a line drive double play to second from Contreras, but the call was reversed as Bryant's dive back to second was in time, and Gregorius stepped on his finger and not the bag.  Hopefully that's not an injury.

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Re: Today's Game - 2021
« Reply #2354 on: July 07, 2021, 07:56:08 pm »
Rain delay in the bottom of the second with the Cubs still leading by three.