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dallasbear

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1170 on: May 11, 2017, 12:47:59 am »

Wshful, you've really lost it.

He never really ever had it...

Grizzlybear34

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1171 on: May 11, 2017, 05:29:32 am »
Dallas - My point was that selecting a QB early in the draft is no guarantee of success and very few have success in their first year.  For too long we have kicked the can down the road on the QB position.  I give Pace credit for making the selection, I just hope he is right - like we all do.

I think part of the angst of Bears fans is that this was widely regarded as a deep defensive draft, and then we went out and didn't really go on defense.  Losing the 3rd round pick was painful given the expert opinion of the draft that defensive backs could be plucked later into the draft.  By giving up our 3 and 4 this year, it kind of forced our hand to trade our 2nd round pick to recoup a 4th rounder.

I believe the reports that SF had offers for the 2nd pick, and interestingly the phone went silent when Trubiskey went off the board.  If Trubiskey wasn't the guy that other teams wanted, those teams could have traded up to 3 - but didn't.

WshflThinking

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1172 on: May 11, 2017, 07:48:14 am »
Pace has taken a big risk in taking Trubisky. I hope he is successful. I just think Trubisky may take longer to develop, much like Osweiler. The only player who we drafted that I really liked was the big TE. You cant grow a TE better than that. I sure hope he can really play. Except for Bennett we haven't had a true TE since Ditka.

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1173 on: May 11, 2017, 01:22:05 pm »
Would definately agree Bears needed day one starters, not projects...

WshflThinking

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Jackiejokeman

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1175 on: May 11, 2017, 02:18:01 pm »



 We went Offense when the rest of the NFL went Defense ...


 now granted that's a convoluted way of thinking,


 and it's going to cost people their ...


 Jobs.


 If this strategy backfires big time.


 People at Halas Hall bet their reputation on the picks. Period.


 It stands to reason that there is a belief in what they drafted is going to


 win show or place.


 All we can do is stand back and watch with upcoming games in 2017.


 The decision will be made in December 2017 as to who did what right.


 MEANWHILE :


 There's more then enough left over money to placate Rusty Jones out of retirement.


  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


 Because ... we pretty much SUUCK when it comes to injury's.  >:(


 We don't want to be that TEAM anymore.  >:(


 Drafting players and watching them go on I.R.


 Nahhhh ... I can't take that shiit anymore .


 And neither can you.  :'(

ISF

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1176 on: May 11, 2017, 04:01:24 pm »
Bears will be better than last year merely by virtue of their depth. Only starting position that appears to be in worse shape is WR.

Don't be surprised if our starting TEs are Sims and Sheeran, with Brown and Pruitt backing up. I think Miller and Braunecker are gone.

If Hoyer had a history of being more durable, I think he might have been back instead of signing Glennon. He didn't, so he isn't.
Barkley had 2 good games and then the scouting report got out and he became Captain Pick. Beathard will be the backup in SF by end of preseason.

Our offense is a work in progress, but I think our defense will be a top ten unit if they stay healthy. The entire starting secondary will be new and better.
Front seven was strong last year and will be improved with a healthy Goldman and ascending Floyd.


boogie

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1177 on: May 11, 2017, 07:02:10 pm »
Bears will be better than last year merely by virtue of their depth. Only starting position that appears to be in worse shape is WR.

Don't be surprised if our starting TEs are Sims and Sheeran, with Brown and Pruitt backing up. I think Miller and Braunecker are gone.

If Hoyer had a history of being more durable, I think he might have been back instead of signing Glennon. He didn't, so he isn't.
Barkley had 2 good games and then the scouting report got out and he became Captain Pick. Beathard will be the backup in SF by end of preseason.

Our offense is a work in progress, but I think our defense will be a top ten unit if they stay healthy. The entire starting secondary will be new and better.
Front seven was strong last year and will be improved with a healthy Goldman and ascending Floyd.


I agree.  Not sure Zach Miller gets launched but it wouldnt surprise me. 

davebear

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1178 on: May 11, 2017, 08:33:27 pm »
Right now Miller is our best receiver.

I can't see him getting cut if he's healthy in camp.

I think Sims sees a lot of playing time because he's a blocker and the Bears will try to run the ball.

Shaheen will take time to familiarize and I doubt he plays a lot the first 6 games. 

I see Sims, Miller and Shaheen with Brown. Braunecker fighting for a spot.

Grizzlybear34

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1179 on: May 12, 2017, 05:50:34 am »
I would love a mauling defense.  I get more juiced by the defense playing well, taking the ball away, a big sack, than just about anything else.  The Floyd sack, strip, and fumble recovery against Rodgers last year was like hitting the trifecta.

But you need to be able to score 24 points minimum, in the league, to be competitive. 

wmljohn

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1180 on: May 12, 2017, 03:24:58 pm »
I finally found the podcast from the day after the first round.  Charley Casserly's evaluation of the Bears trade...

"They basically gave up nothing."  He comes on at the 7:45 mark and starts talking specifically about the Bears pick at the 13:40 mark.  This a a real General Managers perspective on the deal if you want to listen to it.  OBTW he built some really good teams.  In his 23-year career with the Washington Redskins, the team went to four Super Bowls, winning three.

https://podfanatic.com/podcast/the-sports-junkies/episode/seg-01-charley-casserly

Time will only tell if Pace made a good move.

dallasbear

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1181 on: May 12, 2017, 03:46:52 pm »
I pretty much agree with davebear about the Bears TE situation.  Miller if healthy is a guy other teams will have to worry about - not sure that can be said of our other receivers.

I think they keep 4 and the release of the FB may back that up.

I know many are impressed with Shaheens size and basketball background but it doesn't appear like he's all that fast (4.78) so I think he may have more of a learning curve dealing with the speed of NFL DBs.  And blocking is also a question mark for almost all rookies.

As many have pointed out there were a lot of quality DBs in round 2 even after the trade down.  So both of Paces first 2 picks will be scrutinized.


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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1182 on: May 12, 2017, 09:16:23 pm »
billjohn,

Thanks for sharing.  I think it is good insight.  I also was shocked and original thought stupid trade.  However after some reflection, if you believe in the guy go get him, we really did not give up a lot.  Cleveland could have easily traded up into that spot for him.  Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.

davebear

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1183 on: May 15, 2017, 02:50:57 pm »

Grizzlybear34

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Re: 2017 NFL Draft
« Reply #1184 on: May 15, 2017, 07:34:51 pm »
If that video in fact is accurate, Pace played this perfectly to land his player.  Tell Cleveland that you will deal with them at 3, while you are negotiating to take Trubiskey at 2.  That is a big boy move.
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