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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #555 on: August 15, 2020, 01:18:01 pm »
Couldn’t agree more. 

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #556 on: August 15, 2020, 09:14:57 pm »

Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).


Took his chance - ended his career.   No bigee.   You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.

Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?

Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.
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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #557 on: August 16, 2020, 11:11:35 am »
Where Jackson made that game cinching play vs the Packers was a bittersweet moment for sure. Joy at the win and concern at the injury (and it cost us in the playoffs). It seems in the last 2 decades, even when we beat GB we still lose somehow... :(

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #558 on: August 16, 2020, 07:42:14 pm »
Les took his chance. And it cost him his playing career (and the Bears a good player). But it also gave him the ability to say he returned a kickoff in a Superbowl (not to mention helped win in a dominating fashion that will live as long as the NFL is still around).


Took his chance - ended his career.   No bigee.   You know he still would have that Super Bowls memory and could have contributed to another one if he wasn't crippled.

Would you say the same if Jackson tore a tendon or broke a bone when some strong safety tee'd off on Jackson after a catch?

Let the Bears young receivers focus on playing WR and let Jackson focus on playing free safety.

One of the baseball players I admire the most was Ted Williams, the last player to hit .400 in the majors.

He went into the last day of the season with a BA of .39955.  His manager told him that he could sit out the final double header if he wanted to, and everyone would consider his BA to be rounded up to .400.

Ted refused.  He merely said "either I hit .400 or I don't.

In his first at bat for the double header, he hit a single, raising his BA to .400.  Again, his manager told him that he could sit out the rest of the two meaningless games if he wished, but once again, he said "either I hit .400 or I don't.

He went on the get several more hits on the day (he played all of both games) and ended the year with a BA of .407. 

No one else has ever reached .400 for a season.  He could have sat out the last few at bats and still held the record, but it was something he wanted to do.

Bad things sometimes happen to good people.  But I have to admire those who refuse to live their life in fear.
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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #560 on: August 17, 2020, 05:50:06 pm »

davep

Yeah, Ted Williams had balls.  Got it.  He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.

During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.

The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league.  Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?

No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks. 

Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #562 on: August 18, 2020, 12:35:55 pm »
davep

Yeah, Ted Williams had balls.  Got it.  He risked a statistical notation in the record books by taking those extra swings not his career.

During his rookie season Walter Payton led the NFL in kick off returns while having a pretty mediocre year running the ball.

The next couple of years he had 2 total KO returns and was done returning kicks as he established himself as one of the top runners in the league.  Was he living his life in fear by not returning kicks?

No - I'm sure he would have done it, but the coaches/GM determined that they shouldn't risk such a talent returning kicks. 

Why risk one of the top free safeties in the league to other safeties and linebackers taking shots at his legs?

I totally agree.  If I were the coach, I would never have allowed it.  It was a foolish risk to allow Frasier to take.

However, the risk of Payton hurting himself returning kick offs a dozen times a year for a dozen years is quite a bit higher than Frasier hurting himself on one single kickoff return.

As I said, if I were the coach, I would not have allowed it, but I would like to think that if I were Frasier, I would have done it if allowed.

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #563 on: August 18, 2020, 02:51:41 pm »

The decision to let Frazier was not thought out during the planning sessions prior to the Super Bowl.  The Bears coaches and Frazier got caught up in the euphoria of their Super Bowl slaughter and made a decision that most would not even second guess.  I get it.

My point is that the Bears have plenty of time to evaluate letting Jackson play offense.  Is he that much of a talent at WR?  Did Saban ever play him at WR?

The Bears got Jackson in the 4th round because he had a leg injury his senior year that ended his season early.  And how did he get the leg injury? 

He was returning a punt. 

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #564 on: August 18, 2020, 04:53:45 pm »

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #565 on: August 19, 2020, 12:06:22 pm »
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/

So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.


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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #567 on: August 19, 2020, 12:30:56 pm »
Lets hope this isn't the intro for the typical Bears clown show.

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #568 on: August 19, 2020, 12:34:24 pm »
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/18/chicago-bears-training-camp-first-padded-practice-takeaways-2020/5/

So Burns got work with the first unit and tore his ACL. Shows you what he was worth. Nada.

What's that supposed to mean?

Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver.  And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast.  He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster.  And not much about Stephen Denmark. 

The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush. 

But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.

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Re: 2020 Chicago Bears
« Reply #569 on: August 19, 2020, 12:39:11 pm »
What's that supposed to mean?

Looks like a battle between the rookie and Tolliver.  And the other rookie Kindle Vildor is a tad bit undersized and not very agile but he's strong and fast.  He might compete for playing time and make the 53 man roster.  And not much about Stephen Denmark. 

The media spends most of their time spouting off stories like Trubisky completing a pass to Graham...without a pass rush. 

But there are plenty of battles going on for spots on the team and not much in depth coverage.

So what do you think it means?