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WshflThinking

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #405 on: May 02, 2021, 05:06:46 pm »
I see some board members have been drinking Bears Koolaid about this Bears draft. Except for 2 decent players  I dont see much to cheer about.

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #406 on: May 02, 2021, 07:27:46 pm »
YOU HAVE TO SCORE IN THE EARLY ROUNDS OF THE DRAFT. Something Pace has been hit or miss with.

We got a QB I thought was the second or 3rd best behind Lawrence. We got a OT that was graded a 1st round pick in the second round.

We had no 3rd or 4th round pick.

Anything after the 4th round is historically just a crap shoot. Just looking for diamonds in the rough or special team standouts.

No one expects ALL PROS in the 6th round.

RB Herbert & WR Newsome are return men. Both were star players at big time college programs.
CB Graham was a productive player at Oregon who sat out covid year.
Tonga fills a need as a back up NT.

But it all comes down to FIELDS and JENKINS.

I like both picks, why don't you?
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WshflThinking

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #407 on: May 02, 2021, 07:34:54 pm »
Your reading skills seem to be lax tonight, Try reading my post again. Show me where I said I didnt like our 1st 2 picks

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #408 on: May 02, 2021, 07:46:41 pm »
If you hit home runs in the first 2 rounds in a draft where you only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds there is really nothing to complain about.

It's true I thought the Borom pick in the 5th was a bit odd - but only because of the position he plays. I kinda think OL was a priority & they didn't imagine a Jenkins would fall to them so they were scouting for a mid to late round round OL they might pick up & Borom was a guy that caught their eye. So he was a "best available" pick in the 5th.

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #409 on: May 02, 2021, 08:53:03 pm »
I enjoy following the UFAs just based on the underdog story.

Being able to spot UFAs tells you how good your scouting department is.

Brian Piccolo & Len Walterscheid were Bear UFAs, more recently Roy Rob Harris & Alex Bars.

I root for the Thomas Ives of the world because they are UFAs & unlikely to be given a fair shot.

Its especially fun when a college standout like C J Marable goes undrafted, a guy who caught my eye last year.

But I'm not drinking Kool-Aid, I just find it fun.

WshflThinking

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #410 on: May 02, 2021, 09:07:09 pm »
This is what gets me:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021/5/2/22416173/charles-snowden-2021-nfl-draft-questions-facing-bears-season-justin-fields-ryan-pace-andy-dalton

"How many games will Justin Fields start in 2021?
17. There’s no way anyone can look at what Fields did at Ohio State and rule out the possibility that he’s better than Andy Dalton. Fields is the most gifted quarterback to set foot in Halas Hall in decades—at least—and he’s going to be explosive when he hits the practice field. His deep ball and ridiculous speed set him apart, so why wait?"

I dont see that as being realistic. Could that happen? It very well could. I mean we are talking about the Bears here. And there is no mention here of Foles. What happens with all this money they've spent on these 2

guys?

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #411 on: May 02, 2021, 09:22:32 pm »
My guess is that Foles gets traded.  Probably when someone loses their starting QB to injury.
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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #412 on: May 02, 2021, 09:24:53 pm »
Unless we are winning with Dalton they will make the switch after 4 or 5 games to Fields.

If Dalton is doing the job they will keep Fields on the bench unless Dalton gets injured.
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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #413 on: May 03, 2021, 06:58:34 am »
Considering how depressing the season went, the announcement that the stooges would be back for another season, Andy Dalton signed (along with Kyle Fuller let go)  and Nagy was going back to doing play calling (which was just an icing of pus on the **** cake Bears fans had to eat), this draft was (on the whole) very uplifting.

The real question, other than whether the guys drafted can play, is whether this was a "blind squirrel finding a nut" or the "new normal" kind of draft. Probably something in between.....

Still don't trust the stooges, and they will continue styled such until (if) they manage to show above average competence with the performance of this team. No 8-8, backing into the playoffs and getting destroyed. Getting over the inferiority complex the Bears have with "those people" in Greenbay. As well as competent management of personnel (no more Andy Daltons and "Robber" Quinns).

As I said earlier, the Bears old opponent from the NFC Central (Bucs)  have TWO superbowl trophies (I refuse to call it the Lomardi trophy btw). That alone should make the McMediocres seethe. But somehow, as long as they are making money and living on past laurels earned by others who came before them, I get the sneaky suspicion they don't......

I've wasted a lot of time of my life following this team. But it will all be worth it if they can get a championship or two while I'm still alive....

Go Bears !
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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #414 on: May 03, 2021, 09:29:13 am »

The real question, other than whether the guys drafted can play, is whether this was a "blind squirrel finding a nut" or the "new normal" kind of draft. Probably something in between.....

Pace had some real disasters with Kevin White, Trubisky and Adam Shaheen but seems to be improving in the draft as of late.

Did you like the 2020 draft?  Kmet, JJ and Mooney?

In 2019 Bears did not have a first or a second but snagged a pro-bowl quality HB in Montgomery.

2018 brought the Bears Roquan Smith, James Daniels, Miller and Bilal Nichols


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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #415 on: May 03, 2021, 10:04:57 am »
I just don't like the fact that Pace seems to keep "punching himself in the face" by making holes while fixing more holes (Fuller a lead example with a nod to letting Floyd walk and replacing him with "Robber" Quinn, which incidentally helped lead to Fuller walking in the 1st place).

I guess every GM does that to some extent but this is the Bears God Damn it ! Being just average (kindest thing to say so far at best) at your job is NOT good grounds for continued employment in what should be the PREMIER team that initiated the whole NFL. Instead, they are almost an afterthought after decades of "ungreatness". Kids growing up today know who the Packers, Patriots and even the damn Bucs are. The Bears ? Not so much. This has a knock-on effect for the NEXT generation of fans, although, the way the NFL is trending with pissing a lot of fans, this may be a moot point.....

This draft this year was the 1st year IMHO it feels like Pace did well with the top end and lower end of the draft. I hope its an outlier and not an anomaly.

Time will tell. There will be ups and downs for sure (pray its more ups than downs) and there is always the turmoil in "Those People" up North to take schadenfreude in.... :D

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #416 on: May 03, 2021, 12:44:50 pm »
I don’t like how Pace keeps trading future picks. I can see it with Fields and Jenkins but would rather he were more protective of picks.
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WshflThinking

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #417 on: May 03, 2021, 12:48:05 pm »
Picks are like toilet paper

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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #418 on: May 03, 2021, 01:32:44 pm »
No way the Bears give Floyd the 5th year after what?  2 or 3 sacks in 2019.  Nobody knew Quinn would have a similar season sack wise in 2020 as Floyd did in 2019.  Especially after Quinn was coming off double digit sacks with Dallas.  The Floyd/Quinn situation was just crazy.

I was a huge supporter of Fuller when he sat himself out with a bad knee.  Most everyone questioned his manhood including Fangio. 

But look at his numbers since his stellar 2018 season and it’s just not the interception decline.  He wanted $20M this season and would not renegotiate.  With that money the Bears signed several free agents that were desperately needed.


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Re: 2021 NFL Draft
« Reply #419 on: May 03, 2021, 01:40:24 pm »
I know the cap is a mess but I would have liked to have kept Leno at least through training camp to make sure the rookie can actually play LT