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davep

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1230 on: November 28, 2022, 10:12:33 am »
I agree, but would phrase it a different way. 

The Bears have no defensive lineman that requires the offensie to double team him.  Yesterday, the five OLs of the Jets were able to handle the 5 pass rushers without the tight end or even the running back to be used as blockers.  The value of a stud rusher is that he requires two blockers to handle him.  And two studs require four blockers, which means that the other three rushers are free to stunt or overpower their single blocker.  If we had one stud DE and one stud DT, Gipson or Robinson would be perfectly acceptable, and probably better than average, pass rushers.  I haven't seen enough to know if they could handle the running game.

It would be great to have 4 or 5 stud rushers, but that isn't the world we live in.

But when we go out to get the studs for the team, we had better bear in mind that if Fields goes down, the Bears go down.

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1231 on: November 28, 2022, 12:45:49 pm »
since Sanborn was made a starter he leads the NFL in solo tackles.

What more does he have to do?

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1232 on: November 28, 2022, 01:35:19 pm »
I agree, but would phrase it a different way. 

The Bears have no defensive lineman that requires the offensie to double team him.  Yesterday, the five OLs of the Jets were able to handle the 5 pass rushers without the tight end or even the running back to be used as blockers.  The value of a stud rusher is that he requires two blockers to handle him.  And two studs require four blockers, which means that the other three rushers are free to stunt or overpower their single blocker.  If we had one stud DE and one stud DT, Gipson or Robinson would be perfectly acceptable, and probably better than average, pass rushers.  I haven't seen enough to know if they could handle the running game.

It would be great to have 4 or 5 stud rushers, but that isn't the world we live in.

But when we go out to get the studs for the team, we had better bear in mind that if Fields goes down, the Bears go down.

I agree about the double teams.  But most very good edge rushers rarely consistently require 2 blockers.  The problem with #99 and #91 is they can't even beat OTs 1:1.  They'd look better with increased pressure from the inside which might flushout the QB or a better DE on the other side, but if they can't beat a tackle 1:1 or at least provide occasional pressure there's a problem.  Each has 1 or 2 sacks for the year.  Brisker has about as many sacks as those 2 combined.  And Muhammed is worse than those 2.   

I don't care whether the Bears draft d-lineman or sign free agents but that is to me the #1 need.  I am not saying that our offensive line doesn't need help but yesterday Montgomery had a solid day running the ball.  And Siemen was sacked only twice - and one was because Borom fell asleep. 

Bears need at least 2 new d-lineman starters next year. 
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dallasbear

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1233 on: November 28, 2022, 01:42:18 pm »
since Sanborn was made a starter he leads the NFL in solo tackles.

What more does he have to do?

The 3 top Jets running backs ran for 150 yards in 21 carries.   Not saying that's Sanborn's fault.  He's a tough inside linebacker with limited range.  But he's got good instincts and as I've been harping on there are numerous other positions that need to be upgraded.

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1234 on: November 28, 2022, 02:40:04 pm »
Can we just state this is the least talented Bears team we've had in decades? It's not good....
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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1235 on: November 28, 2022, 02:59:30 pm »
"Bears wide receiver Darnell Mooney will go on injured reserve and miss the rest of the season after Jets safety Jordan Whitehead fell into his left ankle Sunday.

“He’s likely to have surgery and he’ll be done for the season,” coach Matt Eberflus said. “It’s unfortunate.”

That’s a big blow to an offense with few established playmakers, and it’s especially unfortunate timing for Mooney with the possibility of a contract extension ahead of him in the offseason. Next season marks the end of his rookie deal."

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1236 on: November 28, 2022, 03:27:40 pm »
Re: the DLine, we need to draft a stud and sign a stud, and that's just for starters...

It's easily the biggest need on the team.
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dallasbear

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1237 on: November 28, 2022, 04:45:45 pm »
"Bears wide receiver Darnell Mooney will go on injured reserve and miss the rest of the season after Jets safety Jordan Whitehead fell into his left ankle Sunday.

“He’s likely to have surgery and he’ll be done for the season,” coach Matt Eberflus said. “It’s unfortunate.”

That’s a big blow to an offense with few established playmakers, and it’s especially unfortunate timing for Mooney with the possibility of a contract extension ahead of him in the offseason. Next season marks the end of his rookie deal."

I hope Mooney has enough time to re-hab as I don't have the details of how extensive the injury was.

Bears get to evaluate Pringle, Jones, Harry and Claypool with the remaining 5 games.

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1238 on: November 28, 2022, 10:25:27 pm »

 $125,000,000.00 in cap space. A high first round draft pick that can be traded for mucho draft picks.

 We'll take the insults and slights this year ... but godddammmit are you going to pay for it next year.  >:(

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1239 on: November 29, 2022, 05:23:03 am »
I am not one to "tank" however with Field's shoulder I think the Bears need to sit him for few more weeks. 

What's the downside?  We lose a couple more games?  Who cares, now it should all be about developing young talent and getting a higher draft pick.

Let's start promoting some practice squad players and see what some of these younger guys can do.

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1240 on: November 29, 2022, 06:17:39 am »
Its "lets throw some **** at the wall and see what happens" time for the Bears. Sit Fields until at least after the bye (more if there is any indication he needs it) and bring up folks to see if they have any potential keepers. The current "starters" should not be favored to start for the rest of the season. Everyone should be under scrutiny.....

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1241 on: November 29, 2022, 07:35:14 am »
Can we start with whoever is the backup to Mustifer? 

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1242 on: November 29, 2022, 10:59:47 am »
I am not one to "tank" however with Field's shoulder I think the Bears need to sit him for few more weeks. 

What's the downside?  We lose a couple more games?  Who cares, now it should all be about developing young talent and getting a higher draft pick.

Let's start promoting some practice squad players and see what some of these younger guys can do.

Winning any more games is futile. Why risk ruining Fields career by playing him in worthless games. Besides I just dont envision any remaining teams as beatable anyways

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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1243 on: November 29, 2022, 11:21:21 am »
Fields has the running down pretty good. He needs reps to better understand the pocket. We need Fields to develop into a passer first, runner second. I agree that while he is hurt he should sit. Otherwise, he should play to work on his passing game..
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Re: 2022 Chicago Bears
« Reply #1244 on: November 29, 2022, 11:32:08 am »
Fields might be able to recover from a separated shoulder but torn ligaments?  I would love to see him play against a bunch of quality defenses but its not worth risking next year if he could further damage the shoulder.

But you can't treat the last 5 games as the preseason.  Its not fair to the NFL but there are ways to get some of the PS guys into games.  The recent Bear injuries are proof of that.

Bears now sitting at #2 in the draft. 

Does Detroit want to draft their future QB or are they content with Goff who will only be 29 next year?   Maybe Seattle wants to replace Geno Smith.  Is Carolina content with Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold?   Indy has ancient Matt Ryan?

Houston
Chicago
L.A. Rams (DET pick)
Denver (SEA pick)
Carolina
New Orleans (PHI pick)
Arizona
Indianapolis

There's a lot of picks between Bears #1 and the Ravens 2nd rounder.  Or is Will Anderson the 'generational' talent at DE that can't be passed up?