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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2015, 08:43:24 pm »
They have a very good defense, but the injuries have been unsettling. I'd have given them as good a shot this year as any team when they were healthy. Now it's a deal of they're doing well, but when will the next axe fall?? Who's going down next?

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2015, 09:03:48 pm »
I am not sold on their defense. They have given up way too many points to acclaim their defense good.

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2015, 10:14:05 am »
That would make sense given "luck of the Irish" and all that. However, you look at that pass td in the ala miss game and realize that other teams are lucky too. Hope the domers do well and the cubs and
the Bears but am not going to put much stock in it.

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2015, 08:24:09 am »
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John Fox's coaching record in the NFL without Peyton Manning as QB?

81-81

Wayne Fontes anyone?
- Otter

Records With and Without A Quarterback: Aaron Rodgers Edition
by CHASE STUART on DECEMBER 14, 2013

Green Bay started the season 5-2 and seemed on its way to another playoff berth. But in the first quarter of the team’s eighth game, Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone. The Packers lost that game (technically on Rodgers’ ledger as the starter), and have struggled ever since. In his stead, Seneca Wallace went 0-1, Scott Tolzien went 0-1-1, and then Matt Flynn got a chance to lose on Thanksgiving against the Lions before salvaging a win against the Falcons last Sunday.

Unsurprisingly, Green Bay is much worse without Rodgers. Using his .625 winning percentage as a starter this year, we might presume that the Packers would have won 3.125 out of the team’s five games that he’s missed. Instead, Green Bay has won 1.5 out of five games; that means Rodgers would have provided 1.625 Wins Above the Other QBs on the roster. (If we did not count the Bears game as a Rodgers game, then Rodgers would have provided 2.79 Wins Above the Other QBs.) Rodgers has been ruled out for the Packers’ pivotal week 15 showdown with the Cowboys; a loss there would bring Rodgers’ value up to 2.25 Wins Above the Other Green Bay QBs.

Where does that rank all time? The biggest discrepancy belongs to the 2002 Rams. The Rams started 0-4 under reigning NFL AP MVP Kurt Warner, and then lost the team’s next game when Jamie Martin started in relief of an injured Warner. For the sixth game, the team turned to Marc Bulger, who led the 0-5 team on a five game winning streak before suffering a finger injury just as the starting quarterback was ready to return. Warner started games 11 and 12, but another injury forced Martin started game 13; St. Louis lost all three games. Bulger then returned and won his 14th start. At that point in the year, St. Louis was 6-0 under Bulger and 0-8 under everyone else. In game 15 against Seattle, Bulger was hurt on the St. Louis’ fourth play from scrimmage; Martin came in and the team lost 30-10. The final game of the year was a meaningless one and started by Scott Covington, although Martin took most of the snaps in a victory over the 49ers.

All told, St. Louis went 6-1 in Bulger starts (including the Seahawks game), while the other Rams quarterbacks posted a 1-8 record. Since we would project a 1-8 team to win just 0.78 out of 7 games, Bulger is given credit for being 5.22 Wins Above the Other QBs for the team.

The table below shows all quarterbacks from 1950 to 2013 to produce at least 2 Wins Above the Other QBs for their team. The formula to calculate WAOQBs is simply the difference between the winning percentages with and without the starting quarterback multiplied by the number of starts by the quarterback or by the other quarterbacks on the team, whichever number is smaller.

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They were talking on the radio today how none of the ball clubs are developing their backup QB's. They were talking how the NFL as a whole needs to do a better job...
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Scott Tolzien and Brett Hundley are in good hands.
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In his stead, Seneca Wallace went 0-1, Scott Tolzien went 0-1-1, and then Matt Flynn got a chance to lose on Thanksgiving against the Lions before salvaging a win against the Falcons last Sunday.


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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2015, 08:29:10 am »
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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2015, 09:35:24 am »
johnbill


A couple of things for context.

1) Seneca Wallace sucked and was out of GB after the season.
2) Scott Tolzien was out of football when GB picked him up. He was not ready to be inserted as starter and it showed. Since then GB's coaching staff has coached him up and in 2015 had a very good preseason.
3) Matt Flynn benefited greatly from the coaching up at GB.

Both of our backup QB's could step in today and produce better results than the back up status in 2013.

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2015, 03:17:58 pm »
While ND has been successful I haven't been satisfied they are unbeatable. To me they have been very "lucky".

UVA should've beaten them..

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2015, 05:02:54 pm »
I felt that way too

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2015, 05:44:24 pm »



 I like it when we **** things up.


 THAT'S CHICAGO BEARS !!

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2015, 09:06:03 pm »



Devin Hester's 2.6 MM home for sale.  Any takers?
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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2015, 09:48:09 pm »
Mike Pennel becoming fixture on defense
 
Mike Spofford

Second-year defensive lineman did his job vs. Seahawks


GREEN BAY – Week 2 provided some redemption for Packers defensive lineman Mike Pennel.

Pulled early from the opener in Chicago – his first NFL start – when Bears running back Matt Forte got rolling, Pennel made up for it last Sunday. Along with veteran linemen B.J. Raji and Mike Daniels, Pennel played his part in holding Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch to just 41 yards on 15 carries.

Pennel held his ground when needed and got penetration into the backfield when called for, staying within the scheme better as he was credited with three tackles, including one for loss on Lynch. He also had one QB pressure...

NT of the future.

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2015, 08:58:01 am »
Otter -

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John Fox's coaching record in the NFL without Peyton Manning as QB?

81-81

Wayne Fontes anyone?
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Your point was Fox without Manning.

My post was; what is McCarthy's record without Rodgers?  Not the capabilities of the QB's that replaced him.

The morale of the story is people in glass houses should not throw stones.

https://youtu.be/pAs6TDLuKgQ

Otter




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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2015, 09:37:21 am »
Fox has taken two teams (0-2) to the Superbowl, and McCarthy one (1-0).

McCarthy has a 7-6 playoff record.

Fox has a 8-7 record.

With two hall of fame quarterbacks, you would think that MCcarthy would have won more than he has.  Manning was the first QB with any pedigree, and at the end of his line.  Outside of his peak.  You could make the same argument that Favre was not at his best, but he has had Rodgers for what, 6 years?

Mittens...

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Re: Around the NFL
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2015, 11:09:24 am »
Griz- now you know you'll just confuse otto with factual numbers..

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