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Jes Beard

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« Reply #585 on: May 30, 2017, 07:27:26 pm »
"You are here because they were there" is typical JJ.  Similar to "All gave some, Some gave all" it is just a slogan to make people think about the sacrifices of those who died in service to our nation. 
There was absolutely no reason for you to respond to it the way you did other then to just be a dick.
You could have just responded with the second half of your last post and not been a dick and actually got your point across...

So it now sounds as if you are no longer actually disputing my point, and even conceding that it had merit.... I just should not have said that that JJ was wrong, despite the fact that he quite clearly was.  Perhaps instead I should have responded as you have here, with true personal, ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the post itself.  I will try to learn from this and use you as a role model.

Eh, maybe not.

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« Reply #586 on: May 30, 2017, 07:45:52 pm »
Or you were being a dick for no reason.

If you wanted to make the point you claim you wanted to make why not just make it?

Why go out of your way to say JJ is wrong?

I have a serious question that is not in any way meant to be an insult.  In fact it would explain a lot and I would feel like a bit of a **** heel for responding the way I have to you and not recognizing it earlier. 

Have you ever been diagnosed with Asperger's?   

Jes Beard

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« Reply #587 on: May 30, 2017, 08:48:17 pm »
Or you were being a dick for no reason.
If you wanted to make the point you claim you wanted to make why not just make it?
Why go out of your way to say JJ is wrong?
I have a serious question that is not in any way meant to be an insult.  In fact it would explain a lot and I would feel like a bit of a **** heel for responding the way I have to you and not recognizing it earlier. 
Have you ever been diagnosed with Asperger's?   

Still focusing on the poster instead of the post, and working to toss in another insult, when you do not even understand the insult you are trying to use.

If you look at my original post here, you will notice that I did not even address JJ.  I did not say HE was wrong.  I said the "it was wrong," IT, what was said in the post.  It didn't matter to me who had written it.  I was responding to the post, not the poster.  You might try that some day.

Now, back to the effort at insult -- Asberger syndrome addresses problems with NON verbal social interaction.  Typically someone with Asperger's has difficulty reading or understanding the significance of facial expression, body language or vocal inflection.  It is not relate to any difficulty in in understanding language itself, or any difficulty with the printed page.  Someone with Asperger's also often has difficulty in actually making a point when they are speaking, something you have never heard me do, so you would have no basis at all to ask the question (assuming you actually understood what Asperger's is) other than to attempt the insult which you so convincingly deny being your intent.  You might also want to know that increasingly the professional community is turning away from the term and labeling and dealing with such conditions as part of the general umbrella of autism spectrum disorders.

Now, just to prevent you from insisting I did not respond to your question, "No.  I have never been diagnosed with Asperger's."  I would ask if you actually even understood what Asperger's is, but I think I have already answered that question.

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« Reply #588 on: May 30, 2017, 09:19:28 pm »
So have you been diagnosed as autistic? 

I would guess you are probably somewhere on the Asperger spectrum.  Obviously highly functional.     

This is not an insult.

https://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/article_2086.shtml





   



Jes Beard

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« Reply #589 on: May 30, 2017, 11:10:25 pm »
So have you been diagnosed as autistic? 
I would guess you are probably somewhere on the Asperger spectrum.  Obviously highly functional.     
This is not an insult.
https://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/article_2086.shtml

I don't believe I wrote that you DID insult me.  I believe I merely wrote that you tried, but it's actually hard to be insulted by someone who clearly does not really understand the words he is using -- it is the "autism spectrum," not the "Asperger's spectrum."

Jes Beard

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« Reply #590 on: June 01, 2017, 04:46:09 am »
So have you been diagnosed as autistic? 
I would guess you are probably somewhere on the Asperger spectrum.  Obviously highly functional.     
This is not an insult.
https://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/article_2086.shtml

Alinsky's rules 5, 6, 7, and 13.

Jackiejokeman

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« Reply #591 on: June 01, 2017, 02:39:30 pm »



 Jes,


 1812 the last time the U.S. was invaded ?


 SEE : Battle of Columbus New Mexico, March 9th 1916.


 Although territory's and not actual U.S. states ,


 see also : Guam, Wake Island , Kiska & Attu ...


 during WWII.


 BTW ... we were invaded on 9-11-2001.


 
« Last Edit: June 01, 2017, 02:41:17 pm by Jackiejokeman »

Jes Beard

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« Reply #592 on: June 01, 2017, 02:59:32 pm »
Jes,
 1812 the last time the U.S. was invaded ?
 SEE : Battle of Columbus New Mexico, March 9th 1916.
 Although territory's and not actual U.S. states ,
 see also : Guam, Wake Island , Kiska & Attu ...
 during WWII.
 BTW ... we were invaded on 9-11-2001.

I will assume that your mischaracterization of my position was not deliberate, but was instead the result of an effort at simplification.  That being the case, it is important to remember that often efforts at simplification result in serious distortion.

Now, could you go back and find anywhere that I wrote that 1812 was the last time the U.S. was invaded?

If you find it, please cut and paste it in your response, and make sure that in doing so, you include the entire sentence.  If you get that far, please before you click on "Post" actually READ what I wrote.

Now, regarding 9/11, since I was responding to YOUR comment that "you are here because they were there," and since I responded with a reference to "the last time our military really repelled any invasion of the United States and any effort to conquer us," could you explain how it was that our military repelled the 9/11 invasion?  All of the "invaders" died, and they did so without any military involvement in bringing about their deaths.

Again, I am not trying to discourage you from praising the service and sacrifice of our armed forces, but we are NOT here in this country because they were anywhere (unless, of course, you are talking about the military role in slaughtering and relocating native Americans so we could take their land).

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« Reply #593 on: June 01, 2017, 03:42:18 pm »



 Not a big problem Jes, here's your own words babes.


 
Except that it is wrong.

The last time our military really repelled any invasion of the United States and any effort to conquer us was the War of 1812.

This is not to minimize the sacrifices made by our military, but to point out that for more than 200 years their combat role has been one of advancing American interests around the world and helping people in other nations pursue freedom, and NOT one of defending the United States from invasion.


 

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« Reply #594 on: June 01, 2017, 07:25:07 pm »
Not a big problem Jes, here's your own words babes.
 

You are correct that those are my words, but what I asked you to do was to "find anywhere that I wrote that 1812 was the last time the U.S. was invaded"

The key sentence in what you cut and pasted from what I had written is, "The last time our military really repelled any invasion of the United States and any effort to conquer us was the War of 1812."  You simplified, and distorted, that into, "1812 the last time the U.S. was invaded," and added Pancho Villa's 1916 attack on a border town in New Mexico as an example supporting your claim my statement was wrong.

I direct your attention back to what I wrote, specifically the part I am setting in boldface here: "The last time our military really repelled any invasion of the United States and any effort to conquer us was the War of 1812."  If you are genuinely going to argue that you believe Villa was setting out to conquer the United States when he raided Columbus, instead of simply trying to steal badly needed weapons, ammunition and food, AND that if the Army had not defeated Villa at Columbus, then he would have conquered the rest of the nation and we genuinely would not be here as a result, I will strongly disagree with you, but will not bother to argue the point or further persuade you of your error, but that actually is what you have to believe for what you offered to serve as an example supporting your claim that my statement was wrong -- that Villa not only intended to conquer the U.S. when he raided Columbus, and that in the absence of the Army repelling Villa there, that Villa would have gone on to successfully conquer the United States such that you and I would not be here.

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« Reply #595 on: June 01, 2017, 07:55:45 pm »
Jackie was accurate.

Taking the fight overseas stopped aggression on American soil.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #596 on: June 02, 2017, 05:49:39 am »
Jackie was accurate.

Taking the fight overseas stopped aggression on American soil.

What fight?

Jackie was wrong, though his comment did reflect conventional wisdom and for many conventional wisdom is tough to set aside, even when shown to be wrong.

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« Reply #597 on: June 02, 2017, 09:35:03 am »
What fight?

Obviously you didn't understand his post.

Jes Beard

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« Reply #598 on: June 02, 2017, 11:14:38 am »
What fight?

Obviously you didn't understand his post.

No.  The only thing obvious here is your reluctance to answer a rather simple question.

Before I respond to your comment, I simply want to assure that your position is clearly defined.

So I again ask you to define it -- what fight?

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« Reply #599 on: June 02, 2017, 11:41:17 am »
"because they were there"

Jackie is referring to US military going abroad to protect America.

Some examples would be:

world War two.  If we had not "fought" the Nazi's may have won that war.  Hitler had plans to attack the US since the late 1930's.  Germany was well in progress developing a nuke
and a bomber to deliver it to the US.

The US Navy went "There" to Cuba during the missile crisis to prevent an attack on the US.

The US "fought" in Korea and Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism and the eventual attack on the US.  I suspect you know communist Marxist principal of spreading across the world by force if necessary.