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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #540 on: November 18, 2015, 05:54:05 pm »
Juan from Montreal, Canada

Playoff teams from last year: Detroit, Dallas, Baltimore at 2-7; Seattle, Indianapolis 4-5. The Packers are two games ahead in the wild-card race. They win in Minnesota and they’re back in control of the division. Things aren’t so bad.

He who is first shall draft last, and he who is last shall draft first. Just don’t be 8-8; it stays 8-8.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #541 on: November 18, 2015, 07:58:13 pm »
Post game day 3.  No otter in sight.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #542 on: November 19, 2015, 07:23:39 pm »
Post game day 3.  No otter in sight.

Just wait until Trump wins the next election.  You may never see otto again.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #543 on: November 19, 2015, 07:50:07 pm »
Chris from New Canaan, CT

For next year, let’s remember all this mess started in the week after the bye week. It’s overrated and over-analyzed. Players don’t get healthy (they get healthy when the season is over), and whatever momentum and rhythm the team had was interrupted.

I agree with much of what you’re saying. The thing about the bye week that can be most troubling is the bye week is perceived as a time to temporarily shut it down. Sometimes it’s difficult to turn it back on. Be that as it may, the bye week is part of the game, and re-starting your engine can be one of the game’s challenges.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #544 on: November 19, 2015, 07:52:14 pm »
Dominic from Islington, UK

Vic, what makes a game memorable for you? A perfect combination of late drama, high stakes and individual brilliance?

Mostly, it’s a feeling that makes a game special to me. It’s a feeling that I’m witnessing something important, a potentially seminal moment in a team’s season, or maybe even a turning point in a team’s life cycle. I have a sensitivity for the moment. It’s my sixth sense. I’ll often say to Mike, “I have the feeling something is about to happen.” I had that feeling in the days leading up to the 2013 game in Chicago. Aaron Rodgers was returning to the lineup. The division title was on the line. The air was thick with drama. I gotta tell you, I’m beginning to get a similar feeling for Sunday’s game. I think we’re going to look back on this game as one of those moments.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #545 on: November 19, 2015, 07:55:53 pm »
Josh from Loveland, OH

When the Packers take the field on Sunday, it will have been 35 days since they have won a game, but it will be the next 12 days that define the direction of the season.

It could, but I’m not sure of that, yet. I’ll say this: I think the game against the Bears is going to be a lot more important than we thought it would be.

Uffdah.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #546 on: November 19, 2015, 07:58:13 pm »
Matt from Madison, WI

In the pregame show before the Lions game, you weren’t too sure about a Packers victory. What does your gut tell you about the game this coming Sunday?

I’m starting to get that feeling. I haven’t gotten one of those headaches, yet, but I’m starting to get that old-time hockey feeling, if you know what I mean. I’m not going to wear my best khakis on Sunday. I’m going to wear a pair that already has stains.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #547 on: November 19, 2015, 08:08:53 pm »


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Terrible refs last game. How do overcome DB's grabbing your receivers? That contributed to us not being able to pick up critical first downs. Adams knows all he can do is push back and hope to not get called. Hard enough to beat your man. Having to overcome refs is more difficult.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #548 on: November 19, 2015, 08:12:57 pm »
LOL!  That is rich!

Packers having to overcome the refs.  You mean the Packers not getting the preferential treatment from the refs they are used to shows how average the PAckers are.

31 other teams in the league are sick of having to overcome the refs every time they play the Packers.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #549 on: November 19, 2015, 08:18:25 pm »
Ron from Broken Arrow, OK

As I recall, when the two Packers-Bears games were wiped out by the 1982 strike, the NFL picked and chose the opponents for the last week of the revised schedule. Why in the world did the NFL not have the Packers play the Bears?

When I asked team president Robert Parins that question, back in 1982, he told me there was talk early in the strike of rescheduling a Packers-Bears game. Your recollection is spot on. Once the strike was settled, the NFL followed its original schedule for games played from Nov. 21 through Dec. 27. Week 9, played Jan. 2-3, essentially filled the postseason bye week, and the NFL picked what it thought would be the most attractive matchups. Prior to the strike, the Packers and Lions were both 2-0. The Bears started 0-2. After 57 days and eight lost weekends of games, the league was clearly worried about attendance and television ratings. In other words, dollar signs won out over tradition.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #550 on: November 19, 2015, 08:27:12 pm »
Todd from Havre, MT

Next week, the Packers will retire Brett Favre’s number, a significant moment in Packers history by any definition. However, isn’t there another historical significance to a Packers-Bears game on Thanksgiving? If I recall correctly, the last time the Packers were to host the Bears on Thanksgiving was 1921. And despite having signed a contract to play in Green Bay didn’t Bears coach and owner George Halas fail to honor that contract?

Not true. In 1921, the Packers’ first season in what is now the NFL, many of the games were scheduled week to week. Plus, the Packers, presumably for financial reasons, planned to only schedule home games. Thus, they played four non-league games and their first four league games at Hagemeister Park. But everything changed after they beat Hammond on Nov. 13 before another small and disappointing crowd. “Once more the management lost money and it is probable that for the remainder of the season, the Packers will have to travel abroad due to the lack of support at home,” George Whitney Calhoun wrote in the Green Bay Press-Gazette the next day. Inserted at the top of his story was a short news flash that the Packers had scheduled a game for the following Sunday against the Cardinals in Chicago. On Nov. 20, the Packers tied the Cardinals, 3-3, before a small crowd on a muddy field, but the score caught the attention of others in the loosely organized league. Little Green Bay had nearly beaten – the Cardinals tied the game with four minutes to go – the longest established football team in Chicago. It also turned out to be a good payday for the Packers when Cardinals owner Chris O’Brien ponied up the visiting team guarantee, $1,200, albeit after a nervous wait. Forty years later, Calhoun wrote, “(O’Brien) said to me rather brusquely, ‘we never pay off here at the park and I always pay off in cash. Walk down to the poolroom two blocks down on the left hand side of the street and I’ll be there in a few minutes.’ We went to the poolroom and finally Chris came in. He pulled out a bunch of bills – none of them were big bills – and we got our money and out the door we went.” That same day, the Bears beat the Cleveland Tigers at what is now Wrigley Field and drew an estimated 10,000 fans, a huge crowd at the time. While the Bears had a game already scheduled for Thanksgiving (Nov. 24) against the Buffalo All-Americans, Halas was impressed enough by the Packers’ showing against the Cardinals that late on Tuesday afternoon, Nov. 22, he agreed to play them in Chicago the following Sunday. In a letter to Packers management that accompanied the signed contract, Halas wrote, “We realize that we are biting off quite a chunk in playing the Packers two days after our game with the All-Americans, but the Green Bay team has made such a record on the gridiron this fall that we were forced to meet them before laying claim to the professional championship of the country.” The Packers lost, 20-0, but the game drew 7,000 fans and a rivalry was born. The next year, the Packers were deep in debt and tried in early November to lure the Bears to Green Bay for a Thanksgiving game. However, those efforts “fell flat,” according to the Press-Gazette. “The Chicago team is packing ‘em in at Cub park and Manager Halas wasn’t any too anxious to leave his ‘gold mine’ and come hither,” the paper explained. “The Bear manager played it safe by asking $4,000 to bring his team here, knowing that no club in the pro circuit would attempt to meet such a high guarantee.” So there was no Packers-Bears game in 1922.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #551 on: November 19, 2015, 08:35:53 pm »
Rick from Crown Point, IN

I had lunch with 86-year old Gene Schroeder, who played for the Bears in the 1950s. He told me Packers president Dominic Olejniczak asked Halas for a coaching recommendation in 1959 and Halas told him, “There’s only one choice. Vince Lombardi.” True?

There’s probably some truth to it. Internally, I believe Jack Vainisi, the Packers’ talent scout, had a lot to do with hiring Lombardi. From the outside, I think Commissioner Bert Bell might have had the most influence on Olejniczak and others. When I hear the story about Halas recommending Lombardi, the first person I think of is Gene Ronzani. Halas recommended him, too, but no doubt never bragged about it afterward. One of Halas’ former assistants and players, Ronzani did a dismal job of coaching the Packers from 1950-53. That said, I believe Halas and Cleveland coach Paul Brown both endorsed Lombardi in talks with the Packers. (Lombardi photo by AP)



Lombardi had immense respect for George Halas and all Packer fans should also respect him.  He was a real drivinf force for the success of the NFL and the GB Packers.

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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #552 on: November 19, 2015, 08:47:47 pm »

Andrew from Jacksonville, FL

Mike Ditka has stated that he thinks Forrest Gregg directed Charles Martin to body-slam Jim McMahon during the game in 1986. Any truth to that?



I don’t believe “directed” would be the right word. But Gregg always had his undermanned Packers worked into a state of hysteria for the Bears and especially that year. Before the first game, safety Ken Stills said the Packers intended to go after McMahon, who was listed as doubtful with a slight shoulder separation, and try to reinjure him. “I think if we get the opportunity… we’re going to pick him up and we’re going to put him on his shoulder,” Stills told the Milwaukee Sentinel, much to Gregg’s displeasure or so he has said. McMahon sat out that game, but not the next. Some of the Packers defenders went into the second game wearing white towels on their belts with Bear numbers written on them. The Bears called it a hit list. Martin wore 9, McMahon’s number, and did exactly what Stills said they planned to do in the first game, although more blatantly I think than anyone imagined. Michael from Hartland, Wis., asked if I thought the Packers were getting even for the Bears body-slamming St. Louis Cardinals quarterback Neil Lomax in the preseason. I would think not.  I think the Martin incident was fueled by the bitter intensity of the rivalry during the Ditka-Gregg years and Martin’s unbalanced personality. (Charles Martin photo by Vernon Biever)



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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #553 on: November 19, 2015, 08:54:12 pm »
Scott from Greensburg, IN

I’ve heard that in 1985 when Mark Lee was penalized and ejected for hitting Walter Payton out of bounds, replays showed Payton had his hand inside Lee’s facemask and was trying to pull him over the bench to make it look like a vicious hit. True?

Yes, it appeared on television replays that Payton grabbed Lee’s facemask and pulled him. I can’t say Payton did it intentionally.


Scott from Greensburg, IN

I’ve heard that in 1985 when Mark Lee was penalized and ejected for hitting Walter Payton out of bounds, replays showed Payton had his hand inside Lee’s facemask and was trying to pull him over the bench to make it look like a vicious hit. True?

Yes, it appeared on television replays that Payton grabbed Lee’s facemask and pulled him. I can’t say Payton did it intentionally.


I remember that play because it made me so angry when Payton did that.



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Re: Green Bay sucks
« Reply #554 on: November 19, 2015, 08:56:11 pm »
Wayne from Milwaukee, WI

I attended a Packers-Bears game in the late 1930s or early ‘40s at a field with a snow fence, a red track around it and wooden bleachers. I remember a lot of fists flying, Don Hutson scoring and the Packers winning. What field and year would it have been? At the time, I lived in Sturgeon Bay.

The site would have been old City Stadium, which was located behind Green Bay East High School. The Packers played there from 1925-56. A white fence with a single railing circled the grass part of the field and outside of that was a cinder track. I can’t tell you the year for sure, but my guess would be 1944. If the Packers won and Hutson scored a touchdown, it would have to be either ’44 or 1935. In ‘35, Hutson caught an 83-yard TD pass on the first offensive play, and the Packers won, 7-0. In ‘44, the Packers won, 42-28, and Hutson caught a 26-yard TD pass. There were no big brawls in either game, but skirmishes were common back then when the Packers and Bears played.