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chifaninva

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2017, 07:23:56 am »
All I hear and heard, Strasburg this and Strasburg that.. Well guess what, Hendricks and the Cubs came out on top.. Big first game!
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davebear

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« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2017, 09:36:38 am »
Congratulations Cubs!!

Looked like they got the good end of a missed umpires call.

dallasbear

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2017, 10:40:51 am »

The ball went through his legs before the bat hit his helmet but yeah, the umpire missed the call.   Cubs were fortunate it wasn't reviewable.

chifaninva

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« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2017, 11:07:15 am »
One call isn't "the game"... sh!t happens.. How does the rule read? Looked to me like the catcher leaned forward to try to find the ball.

wmljohn

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« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2017, 02:57:01 pm »
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-nationals-protest-case/

It was a judgement call by the umpire.  He said the graze of the face mask had nothing to do with the catcher missing the ball.  The graze also had no hindrance of the catcher retrieving the ball and throwing to first.  In his judgement the back swing hitting the catcher had no effect on the play.  PLAY BALL...

davebear

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2017, 07:27:28 pm »
The rule is very simple.  Bat strikes the catcher your out and no one advances.  At least accordig to MLB Network no other factors changed it.

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2017, 07:16:20 am »
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This is 6.01(a)(1):

6.01 Interference, Obstruction, and Catcher Collisions

(a) (7.09) Batter or Runner Interference

It is interference by a batter or a runner when:

(1) After a third strike that is not caught by the catcher, the batter-runner clearly hinders the catcher in his attempt to field the ball. Such batter-runner is out, the ball is dead, and all other runners return to the bases they occupied at the time of the pitch;

The Umpire stated that the passed ball had already happened and the catcher missed the ball before the bat struck his helmet.  After the bat struck his helmet there was no hesitation or delay of the catcher turning around, retrieving the ball and making a throw to first.  There was clearly no hindering the catcher to attempt to field the ball.  Had the catcher not immediately fielded the ball and fallen to the ground because the bat hit him then the batter would have been called out.  But since the graze did not affect the catchers ability to field the ball the play stands.

That is how simple it is.

Dave23

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2017, 09:44:06 am »
Please call Harold Reynolds and help his dumb ass understand...

davebear

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2017, 12:38:30 pm »
That's the wrong rule.
There's another rule about bat hitting catcher

davebear

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2017, 12:52:11 pm »
You left out the last paragraph of the rule:

    Rules 6.03(a)(3) and (4) Comment (Rule 6.06(c) and (d) Comment): If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call “interference.” The batter is out and the ball dead. No player may advance on such interference (offensive interference) and all runners must return to the last base that was, in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference.

    If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out—not the batter. Any other runners on the base at the time may advance as the ruling is that there is no actual interference if a runner is retired. In that case play proceeds just as if no violation had been called.

    If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

chifaninva

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #85 on: October 16, 2017, 05:00:52 am »
We just played the 2nd game of the NLCS and you guys are still talking about one play that happened in the last series.

The Cubs better get their bats going or we're fukked..

Grizzlybear34

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #86 on: October 16, 2017, 05:18:06 am »
You can't keep making the pitchng throw perfect games to win.  Nobody is hitting

wmljohn

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« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2017, 09:52:04 am »
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You left out the last paragraph of the rule:

    Rules 6.03(a)(3) and (4) Comment (Rule 6.06(c) and (d) Comment): If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call “interference.” The batter is out and the ball dead. No player may advance on such interference (offensive interference) and all runners must return to the last base that was, in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference.

    If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out—not the batter. Any other runners on the base at the time may advance as the ruling is that there is no actual interference if a runner is retired. In that case play proceeds just as if no violation had been called.

    If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

davebear - Lets get the first thing cleared up.  6.03 is not a paragraph of rule 6.01.  6.03 is a totally different rule.  The umpire stated that since there was a passed ball before the bat hit the helmet that rule 6.03 was not in play.  Even the opening sentence of that rule, "If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call “interference.”  That is the reason why the umpire went to rule 6.01 because the Batter did not interfere with the catchers ability to catch the pitch.  It was ruled a passed ball or wild pitch.  Now that at bat is over so the bat striking the mask falls under 6.01 which is for Interference, Obstruction, and Catcher Collisions.

Jerry Layne's quote about the play, “Backswing interference is a play where a guy is stealing or there’s a play being made a runner hindering the catch,” Layne said afterward. “It was a wild pitch and went past him. That is no longer in that particular description, in my judgment. In my judgment, the passed ball changed the whole rule around to where, in my judgment, it had nothing to do with everything. Therefore, it didn’t have any effect on it. In my judgment.”

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“When the ball gets past him, all right, in my judgment he didn’t have any more opportunity after he had a chance to field the ball,” Layne said. “There was no further play that could have been made on it. The graze of the helmet didn’t have anything to do, in my judgment, with anything at all, with that particular play. I understand, it’s pretty much my judgment. I got together and found everybody was in agreement. That’s what we went with.”


I still don't see why it is so hard to figure out.  There are two rules.  One was not in play because it was a passed ball/wild pitch before the bat hit the mask.
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Grizzlybear34

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2017, 10:08:29 am »
Gotta score some runs tonight...  Can't keep the pitchers in these high leverage situations.  Yankees did it last night.  We need to wake up the bats

wmljohn

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Re: Other Sports
« Reply #89 on: October 17, 2017, 10:17:37 am »
If the Cubs lose tonight it is over.  They need to win to have any chance at this thing.